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Author:  jaybird216 [ Thu May 28, 2009 11:34 pm ]
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I figured you might like this, Peter. Someone posted it at the freelancers' section on RPG.net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSg ... r_embedded
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Author:  gideon_thorne [ Fri May 29, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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*smiles* I was just pondering making a sign I can hang at my art booth anywhere I set up.

"Money is the sincerest form of flattery. Artists love to be flattered. Flatter us a lot."

Sure, it's nice to hear various versions of 'attaboy' from people. But if folks like our work so much, buy something.
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Author:  serleran [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:24 pm ]
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Price has to be reasonable. $50 for a print is not, unless you're some damn awful famous artist and its a limited number of them.
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Author:  gideon_thorne [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:32 pm ]
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Price has to be reasonable. $50 for a print is not, unless you're some damn awful famous artist and its a limited number of them.



*chuckles* Dude, no one has more reasonable prices than I do. In fact, I get folks who express shock about how low my prices are. But that makes no difference when people seem to have no money.

I get that, I really do. But, like the video above, I get frustrated when folks spend an hour talking to me, but don't buy anything. ^_^

Oh.. and $50 for a print is very reasonable, especially if its 16x20 or larger. Cause it costs more to make at that size.
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Author:  jaybird216 [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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Hence the Taco House/Filet debate, Serl. I bet those damn awful famous artists get it all the time. "But, Joe McNoName only charges $XX for an open edition print of the exact same size. It's the same thing!"
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Author:  jaybird216 [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:44 pm ]
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One of my co-workers here at the agency particularly liked "OK, we'll pay, but show us how you made it so that we can do it at home next time". We get that a lot. One client even bought a copy of Adobe Illustrator so that she could make her own ads/collateral, but calls us constantly with questions on how to use the software. I'm glad I went to school for 4 years
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Author:  ATOM [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:43 pm ]
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One of my co-workers here at the agency particularly liked "OK, we'll pay, but show us how you made it so that we can do it at home next time". We get that a lot. One client even bought a copy of Adobe Illustrator so that she could make her own ads/collateral, but calls us constantly with questions on how to use the software. I'm glad I went to school for 4 years



Jeez! Sounds like you would need councelling yourself, after putting up with clients like that!
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Author:  jaybird216 [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:57 pm ]
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Just a cuddle, Andrew. All I need is a cuddle.
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Author:  marjasall [ Sat May 30, 2009 2:11 am ]
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gideon_thorne wrote:
Oh.. and $50 for a print is very reasonable, especially if its 16x20 or larger. Cause it costs more to make at that size.



He's right. I've worked many many years for a few different printers in my life, in-house, and they charge alot. I've seen single 18x 24 prints go for $60 a print - and I'm talking just digital, which is typically cheaper than litho - and that $60 is just the printer's cost to the client. An artist could not mark that up any further and have any success selling it. So $50 from the artist is very reasonable for that size - especially if they hand-sign it.
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Author:  gideon_thorne [ Sat May 30, 2009 2:44 am ]
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marjasall wrote:
He's right. I've worked many many years for a few different printers in my life, in-house, and they charge alot. I've seen single 18x 24 prints go for $60 a print - and I'm talking just digital, which is typically cheaper than litho - and that $60 is just the printer's cost to the client. An artist could not mark that up any further and have any success selling it. So $50 from the artist is very reasonable for that size - especially if they hand-sign it.



Course, the trick today is to get ones own 17x22 printer.
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Author:  serleran [ Sat May 30, 2009 2:47 am ]
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Well, if the print is larger than a wallet size, then naturally the price would be commensurate. That I was not arguing. However, if its some little thing, like a 6 x 9 or whatever... no, I won't be paying $50 for it, most likely, even if its color -- I'd better absolutely love it.

But, yeah, I do agree with supporting artists -- their best way to make money is by selling prints, or, so I hear.
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Author:  gideon_thorne [ Sat May 30, 2009 2:50 am ]
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Well, if the print is larger than a wallet size, then naturally the price would be commensurate. That I was not arguing. However, if its some little thing, like a 6 x 9 or whatever... no, I won't be paying $50 for it, most likely, even if its color -- I'd better absolutely love it.

But, yeah, I do agree with supporting artists -- their best way to make money is by selling prints, or, so I hear.



Its one of the better ways. But the best way for any artist to make money is in licensing. Shirts, mugs, postcards, ect.
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Author:  Omote [ Sat May 30, 2009 4:16 am ]
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Peter's prices are damn good, no doubt. BUT Pete, your originals are um, expensive. Which they have every right to be. But that always pushes them outside of my price range. *boo-boo lip*

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Author:  gideon_thorne [ Sat May 30, 2009 5:10 am ]
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Peter's prices are damn good, no doubt. BUT Pete, your originals are um, expensive. Which they have every right to be. But that always pushes them outside of my price range. *boo-boo lip*

-O



Well, that's why I do prints. That way most folks can afford them. Originals take time. In that case its a simple time = dollars equation.
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Author:  jaybird216 [ Sat May 30, 2009 6:28 am ]
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I still haven't received that cuddle.
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Author:  ATOM [ Sat May 30, 2009 6:58 am ]
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One sweathy man cuddle coming right up!
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Author:  marjasall [ Sat May 30, 2009 4:06 pm ]
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serleran wrote:
However, if its some little thing, like a 6 x 9 or whatever... no, I won't be paying $50 for it, most likely, even if its color -- I'd better absolutely love it.



Ditto. If it's 6x9 for $50, it better be the original.
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