Best City For Adventurers In Airdhe -- Preferably a Seaport?
Best City For Adventurers In Airdhe -- Preferably a Seaport?
Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on this. I've downloaded the After Winter's Dark PDF bundle, and a few adventure PDFs, but there's such a mountain of campaign detail available, it's hard to get a practical sense of it.
Where do you think the best major city for archetypal C&C adventurers resides in Airdhe? As above, I would prefer a seaport -- not a total pirate haven, a la Freeport or Tortuga, just a place where I can "ship out" my players, if the whim strikes me ...
Is Yggsburgh a part of Airdhe? I thought it resided in a separate world-setting of it's own ...
TheNewGuy
Where do you think the best major city for archetypal C&C adventurers resides in Airdhe? As above, I would prefer a seaport -- not a total pirate haven, a la Freeport or Tortuga, just a place where I can "ship out" my players, if the whim strikes me ...
Is Yggsburgh a part of Airdhe? I thought it resided in a separate world-setting of it's own ...
TheNewGuy
I would suggest the city of Ascalon in New Aenochia (Outremere in the older Codex of Erde)... good large-sized city...
My group ended up there on behest of the NPC Aldadius in A1, then ended up on a seafaring adventure to the Isle of Dread (which I put off map SE in the ocean).
The tensions with the regions of the kingdom, the crusaders, the Ore-Tsar influences, the issues of slavery and servitude... and a good location for adventurers to go "up river", west along the coast, or outward from the cradle of the world make it a nice location.
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My group ended up there on behest of the NPC Aldadius in A1, then ended up on a seafaring adventure to the Isle of Dread (which I put off map SE in the ocean).
The tensions with the regions of the kingdom, the crusaders, the Ore-Tsar influences, the issues of slavery and servitude... and a good location for adventurers to go "up river", west along the coast, or outward from the cradle of the world make it a nice location.
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I'll recommend the Sea Towns of Ilsa in the United Kingdoms area of Aihrde ~ not far from Outremere (Blacktooth Ridge) or Ascalon.
They are detailed in The Heart of Glass module/mini campaign book complete with map. I think the Trolls still have it.
Some of the best city stuff for Aihrde that I've seen.
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They are detailed in The Heart of Glass module/mini campaign book complete with map. I think the Trolls still have it.
Some of the best city stuff for Aihrde that I've seen.
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Yes, TLG still has it here, for a great price:
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/erde/1801.html
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seskis281 wrote:
I would suggest the city of Ascalon in New Aenochia (Outremere in the older Codex of Erde)... good large-sized city...
Thanks, seskis. I found Ascalon quickly in my After Winter's Dark campaign PDF. Do you know if there's any additional material out there on this city (maps et cetera?), or do I just spin out home-made detail from the AWD doc from this point?
Appreciate the reply,
TheNewGuy
Rhuvein wrote:
I'll recommend the Sea Towns of Ilsa in the United Kingdoms area of Aihrde ~ not far from Outremere (Blacktooth Ridge) or Ascalon.
They are detailed in The Heart of Glass module/mini campaign book complete with map. I think the Trolls still have it.
No worries, Rhuvein (love the Mighty Thor avatar, btw). I found the PDF version on RPGNow HERE.
It's a bit pricey for a PDF, but I can see what you're saying. I may buy this one, once I can rationalize the relatively high price.
I know i could probably get a physical copy cheaper, but as I blathered on about in another thread here, I'm almost exclusively a PDF guy, unless I'm certain it's a product I'll love and use.
It speaks to my interest in C&C that I've actually ordered the two rulebooks, sight unseen. I'm sure there must be bootleg scans C&C out there on the bittorrents somewhere to be had (there are scans of almost every game book, if you look hard enough) but I don't like to trade in that undernet stuff.
So, I'm waitin' waitin' waitin' on the books Stephen Chenault sent me. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas!
Thanks again for the city tip, Rhuvein,
TheNewGuy
An update ...
I passed on Bergholdt once I realized it was native to a different game-universe (Inzae) than Aihrde. If I do make use of a third-party world setting, I'd like to go with the one most tied to the C&C ruleset. Still, thanks to Serleran!
I did buy the Heart of Glass PDF, as Rhuvein suggested, to get a look at the Sea Towns of Ihlsa. Very good city setting, but the tone was a little too dark and sinister for my needs. As a player "home city", I prefer somewhere that is equal parts dark and light, and can be either, according to the needs of an adventure.
Ihlsa is cool, no question, but it's a dark place overall, with serious problems. My thanks to Rhuvein for the suggestion!
I also looked at Ascalon, as seskis advised. From what I can tell, this is effectively the "Greyhawk" of Aihrde -- especially given it's proximity to where most of the Aihrde-specific adventure modules are based.
Ultimately, though, I passed on Ascalon also. If do go with the Aihrde setting, my typical preference with published worlds is to find a disused or ignored corner, and fill in the details myself. This way, I get the best of both worlds: personal creativity, and yet, plausible connection to published continuity at the same time.
To this end, I'm now looking at Ascalon's neighbor, the city-state of Vilshofen. I couldn't find much published detail on the place -- and if someone knows of more out there, PLEASE tell me! -- and yet it's also close to Ascalon and the "adventure module region". It's a seaport city too. Sounds like the right balance for me!
So, thanks everyone for the opinions and advice, through you I found Vilshofen, which may be just what I need.
TheNewGuy
I passed on Bergholdt once I realized it was native to a different game-universe (Inzae) than Aihrde. If I do make use of a third-party world setting, I'd like to go with the one most tied to the C&C ruleset. Still, thanks to Serleran!
I did buy the Heart of Glass PDF, as Rhuvein suggested, to get a look at the Sea Towns of Ihlsa. Very good city setting, but the tone was a little too dark and sinister for my needs. As a player "home city", I prefer somewhere that is equal parts dark and light, and can be either, according to the needs of an adventure.
Ihlsa is cool, no question, but it's a dark place overall, with serious problems. My thanks to Rhuvein for the suggestion!
I also looked at Ascalon, as seskis advised. From what I can tell, this is effectively the "Greyhawk" of Aihrde -- especially given it's proximity to where most of the Aihrde-specific adventure modules are based.
Ultimately, though, I passed on Ascalon also. If do go with the Aihrde setting, my typical preference with published worlds is to find a disused or ignored corner, and fill in the details myself. This way, I get the best of both worlds: personal creativity, and yet, plausible connection to published continuity at the same time.
To this end, I'm now looking at Ascalon's neighbor, the city-state of Vilshofen. I couldn't find much published detail on the place -- and if someone knows of more out there, PLEASE tell me! -- and yet it's also close to Ascalon and the "adventure module region". It's a seaport city too. Sounds like the right balance for me!
So, thanks everyone for the opinions and advice, through you I found Vilshofen, which may be just what I need.
TheNewGuy
Inzae is part of Airhde. I think of it as the "inside out" part of the setting.
Airhde was created by the All FAther, Inzae was created by the Mother of all Dragons (and many other species), then, much later, Unklar bound the two worlds together.
There is a lot hidden in the history of the world. Some pretty crazy story ideas for sure.
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Airhde was created by the All FAther, Inzae was created by the Mother of all Dragons (and many other species), then, much later, Unklar bound the two worlds together.
There is a lot hidden in the history of the world. Some pretty crazy story ideas for sure.
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Since its 20,000 I suggest "Captain Nemo" as his title. Beyond the obvious connection, he is one who sails on his own terms and ignores those he doesn't agree with...confident in his journey and goals.
Sounds obvious to me! -Gm Michael
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TheNewGuy wrote:
To this end, I'm now looking at Ascalon's neighbor, the city-state of Vilshofen. I couldn't find much published detail on the place -- and if someone knows of more out there, PLEASE tell me! -- and yet it's also close to Ascalon and the "adventure module region". It's a seaport city too. Sounds like the right balance for me!
So, thanks everyone for the opinions and advice, through you I found Vilshofen, which may be just what I need.
TheNewGuy
Well, sorry you didn't like Heart of Glass/Ilsa.
Very interesting choice in Vilshofen. I don't think it was mentioned in the Codex of Erde, but I know of the city from Bunce's Outremere map.
But when looking at the new map, I see they moved the town from the mainlain over to the island of Trier and the city gets a brief mention ~ more in conjunction with the other cities in this area in the Aihrde folio.
However, the good thing is . . . since there is no official material, the city is yours for the making. And perhaps, you can use some of the material from Heart of Glass.
The city is yours, amigo!!
Enjoy.
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Treebore wrote:
Inzae is part of Airhde. I think of it as the "inside out" part of the setting.
Airhde was created by the All FAther, Inzae was created by the Mother of all Dragons (and many other species), then, much later, Unklar bound the two worlds together.
There is a lot hidden in the history of the world. Some pretty crazy story ideas for sure.
Okay, now I'm officially confused.
By inside out, do you mean that it's some kind of "hollow earth" thang? That Inzae actually exists on the inner surface of the world of Aihrde?
My After Winter's Dark PDF turns up nothing on Inzae or Bergholt when I use the Search function, so I'm really confused at this point.
Oh Inzae! Where are yoooooooooooouuuuuu????!
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Rhuvein wrote:
Well, sorry you didn't like Heart of Glass/Ilsa.
Oh I liked it, Rhuvein, no worries there! It's just that, as I said, I prefer "home base" cities which are equal parts good and bad, with no overriding "flavor" to them. This way, I can bounce around with stories from both ends of the moral spectrum, and the city holds either kind plausibly and comfortably.
I guess my fantasy fiction archetype would be Fritz Leiber's Lankhmar, in this regard; a fantasy city which also had a strong shaping influence on Gary Gygax's Greyhawk, according to comments the late rpg master made, so at least I'm in good company!
Thanks again for the suggestion!
TheNewGuy
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Okay, now I'm officially confused.
By inside out, do you mean that it's some kind of "hollow earth" thang? That Inzae actually exists on the inner surface of the world of Aihrde?
My After Winter's Dark PDF turns up nothing on Inzae or Bergholt when I use the Search function, so I'm really confused at this point.
Oh Inzae! Where are yoooooooooooouuuuuu????!
TheNewGuy
Maybe the best way to learn about Inzae would be to do a search in this forum on Inzae. There are many good threads including some from Davis about this alter world within the Rings of Brass (that being the greater world of both Inzae and Aihrde).
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If I remember the "official version" correctly both worlds are flat and are now back to back to one another. I would have to read the D20 Codex again to be sure.
I have them as being "in the same place" just a bit out of phase with each other.
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I have them as being "in the same place" just a bit out of phase with each other.
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Since its 20,000 I suggest "Captain Nemo" as his title. Beyond the obvious connection, he is one who sails on his own terms and ignores those he doesn't agree with...confident in his journey and goals.
Sounds obvious to me! -Gm Michael
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Treebore wrote:
If I remember the "official version" correctly both worlds are flat and are now back to back to one another. I would have to read the D20 Codex again to be sure.
That's how I've always read it.
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Well, I think I solved my problem the good ol' North American way -- by throwing money at it!
I tried Rhuvein's suggestion, and did a seach of `Inzae' threads on these forums ... but all it got me were dozens and dozens of thread hits where I couldn't make much of what was being discussed.
So, I went over to RPGNow (I'm a PDF-FanBoy, you may recall) and first, I bought the Into The Unknown: Vakhund adventure set in Inzae.
Nada. I was not happy.
Then I noticed I could get a PDF version of the Codex of Erde Gazetteer for five bucks. I decided to take one more chance ...
I had better luck with the Gazetter, and thanks to what was said here earlier, I worked it out that, yeah, Aihrde and Inzae are basically linked parallel worlds now, occupying the same space, but in different dimensions.
So, I get it now. Thanks to everyone who helped out!
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I tried Rhuvein's suggestion, and did a seach of `Inzae' threads on these forums ... but all it got me were dozens and dozens of thread hits where I couldn't make much of what was being discussed.
So, I went over to RPGNow (I'm a PDF-FanBoy, you may recall) and first, I bought the Into The Unknown: Vakhund adventure set in Inzae.
Nada. I was not happy.
Then I noticed I could get a PDF version of the Codex of Erde Gazetteer for five bucks. I decided to take one more chance ...
I had better luck with the Gazetter, and thanks to what was said here earlier, I worked it out that, yeah, Aihrde and Inzae are basically linked parallel worlds now, occupying the same space, but in different dimensions.
So, I get it now. Thanks to everyone who helped out!
TheNewGuy
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Lord Tadhg - Lejendary Keeper of Castle Ardmore
"Enjoy a 'world' where the fantastic is fact and magic really works!" ~ Gary Gygax
"By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes:" - Macbeth
"Enjoy a 'world' where the fantastic is fact and magic really works!" ~ Gary Gygax
"By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes:" - Macbeth
TheNewGuy wrote:
Well, I think I solved my problem the good ol' North American way -- by throwing money at it!
I tried Rhuvein's suggestion, and did a seach of `Inzae' threads on these forums ... but all it got me were dozens and dozens of thread hits where I couldn't make much of what was being discussed.
So, I went over to RPGNow (I'm a PDF-FanBoy, you may recall) and first, I bought the Into The Unknown: Vakhund adventure set in Inzae.
Nada. I was not happy.
Then I noticed I could get a PDF version of the Codex of Erde Gazetteer for five bucks. I decided to take one more chance ...
I had better luck with the Gazetter, and thanks to what was said here earlier, I worked it out that, yeah, Aihrde and Inzae are basically linked parallel worlds now, occupying the same space, but in different dimensions.
So, I get it now. Thanks to everyone who helped out!
TheNewGuy
Now that you have the I series, you can use Bergholt. Bergholt (the book being in a link you already posted) is one of the most detailed port cities I've ever seen, with many many adventure hooks, so it sounds like what you're looking for.
My players are crawling through the end of Felsentheim: Dogs of War right now.. the last of the I series.. and have expressed interest in venturing to Bergholt afterwards.
Msg me if you would like a plot summary of what's going on in the I series.. it's extremely detailed and took me a while to put together. This is a result of the trolls switching over to C&C from d20 before finishing the story arc in the Bergholt sequel.. so I gather.
Thanks to Rhuvein for the the thread link -- I think I understand now; Aihrde and Inzae are indeed parallel universes, but they also physically connect in certain places -- an inverted "cup and saucer", with Airhrde the "saucer" on top, and Inzae the bowl-shaped "cup" underneath the surface of Aihdre (yet still within its own parallel cosmos).
Honestly, al I can say is: there'd better be a damn good illustration of this configuration in The Castle Keeper's Guide -- and I mean a literal illustration, a graphic, which makes the basics clear at a glance -- the same way D&D does with their planar configuration stuff.
Oh, my players will understand it all, certainly, but I can already hear them asking me, halfway through the explanation, "Who made this all so needlessly complex?"
It's not a fair question, perhaps, but someone will ask it. Putting out a nice "artist's conception" onto the table and saying "It configures kinda like this, actually" will go a long way to reducing the need for lengthy high-concept description.
I can imagine it will also help new rpg players as well. I never would've understood the nature of the planes of the multiverse when I first started D&D, if it weren't for those diagrams of same.
Beyond this, my only remaining question is: I wonder if all the elves in Inzae sport evil-Spock goatee beards? It seems likely that they do.
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Honestly, al I can say is: there'd better be a damn good illustration of this configuration in The Castle Keeper's Guide -- and I mean a literal illustration, a graphic, which makes the basics clear at a glance -- the same way D&D does with their planar configuration stuff.
Oh, my players will understand it all, certainly, but I can already hear them asking me, halfway through the explanation, "Who made this all so needlessly complex?"
It's not a fair question, perhaps, but someone will ask it. Putting out a nice "artist's conception" onto the table and saying "It configures kinda like this, actually" will go a long way to reducing the need for lengthy high-concept description.
I can imagine it will also help new rpg players as well. I never would've understood the nature of the planes of the multiverse when I first started D&D, if it weren't for those diagrams of same.
Beyond this, my only remaining question is: I wonder if all the elves in Inzae sport evil-Spock goatee beards? It seems likely that they do.
TheNewGuy
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Metal wrote:
Now that you have the I series, you can use Bergholt. Bergholt (the book being in a link you already posted) is one of the most detailed port cities I've ever seen, with many many adventure hooks, so it sounds like what you're looking for.
My players are crawling through the end of Felsentheim: Dogs of War right now.. the last of the I series.. and have expressed interest in venturing to Bergholt afterwards.
Msg me if you would like a plot summary of what's going on in the I series.. it's extremely detailed and took me a while to put together. This is a result of the trolls switching over to C&C from d20 before finishing the story arc in the Bergholt sequel.. so I gather.
Metal!
Thanks so much for posting, and for the kind offer of help, but I think I'm going to pass on Inzae as a setting. Oh, I'll still follow it, and probably even buy some adventures (maybe even Bergholt), but I realize now that I'll likely never run it.
See, my personal preference for a setting is something which can go either way, depending on the day. Sometimes things go really welll, and sometimes they go horribly, painfully, enduringly wrong.
From what I read in the thread link Rhuvein provided, Davis' world of Inzae is designed on Murphy's law-meets-Warhammer; it seems to presume that life is always sh*t, and can only get worse, no matter what one does.
Simply put, that's not my experience. Sure, life is struggle most of the time, and I've seen and experienced things which would trouble me even to relate to you here (and no, I'm not going to) -- but I've also had moments of great joy too (and you'd need to show me an age-of-majority ID before I could tell you some of those stories! )
So, by presupposing pessimism and cynicism as defining themes, Inzae leaves me behind. In my experience, blind cynicism is as naive as blind optimism -- both are "blanket" ways of processing the world which tend to blind one to what's actually going on. You've decided you already know, and you see everything through the filter of "self-fulfilling prophecy".
And as Robert Hewitt Wolfe wrote, "Pessimism is not a survival trait". And he meant that in the cruel Darwinist sense, not the cheesy motivational speaker way ...
So, Inzae runs with too much of a built-in agenda for my taste. If I go with a published setting, it will be Aihrde. I'll run it neutral-ish, veering between light and dark stories as seems appropriate and entertaining for the players.
But thanks again, Metal, for the recommendation and the offer of help. I may yet pick up Bergholt, just to have a look. I'll let you know.
Oh, and thanks for enduring all my blah-blah-blah. I'm just talking CKing style here. Hope you didn't fall out of your chair when you dozed off! Hee hee hee!
TheNewGuy
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TheNewGuy wrote:
From what I read in the thread link Rhuvein provided, Davis' world of Inzae is designed on Murphy's law-meets-Warhammer; it seems to presume that life is always sh*t, and can only get worse, no matter what one does.
Interesting.. I had never really thought about this. It is true to the background, as the texts suggest. I hadn't even realized it but I'm doing this with my villains' plotweaving... mwahahaha.
I love the gritty olde worlde germanic flavour.. smeared with the blood and sweat of the peasantry.. that's why I picked Inzae.
Or perhaps I hold and perpetuate the cynicysm without even realizing it.
The villains in my campaign have some rather wicked notions that have the players doing what they think will end up causing good, but, will end up wreaking havoc. But then.. the players might figure out what's going on and want to see to the villains.. which I guess is overcoming that cynicysm afterall. We shall see.