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Ulthal
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Post Dragon Attacks
From M&T...

"Dragons do not add their full hit dice when making attack rolls; a dragon adds one-half of its hit dice to attack rolls. Dragons do, however, add their full hit dice to saving throw rolls, plus the bonus set forth in the age chart."

Why is this? Why are dragons treated differently in this regard? Is this with all thier attack rolls (including breath weapon)? or just claws/tail, etc?


Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:06 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
Breath weapons don't roll to hit. They simply affect a given area. Much like Fireball & Lightening bolts...

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Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:38 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
I'm not sure the reasoning behind this, but dragons with full HD attack would be even better death machines then they are now. If you need to make an attack roll for any reason, only use 1/2 of their HD, even if you use this for breath weapons and the like.

It's also worth a note that full-on demons found in Monsters & Treasures of Aihrde do not follow this rule. Things like the Mogrl are devestating in their attacks because they add full HD numbers to their attack rolls.

I guess it's best to say that dragons are just, different.

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Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:40 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
Obviously only the trolls can say for sure but my guess is the multiple attacks [claw, claw, bite, wing buffet, tail slap] at 20-30HD [that's +20-30 to hit] made grown men cry.

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Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:32 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
Making grown men soil their armor is more like it. I suppose if I wanted tougher dragons I could have eliminated the half hit die bonus rule. Instead, I went for larger hit dice. :twisted:

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Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:56 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
I would love to hear from one of the trolls, especially in light of this rule not applying to some of those monsters Omote pointed out (full on demons, Morgrl).


Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:53 pm
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
In playtesting it was determined that a dragon that added its full hit dice to attack rolls made it too powerful, thus the decision was made to reduce the bonus to 1/2. The Trolls, especially Serleran, will tell you much the same thing.

I don't have a copy of M&ToA so I don't know what the devil stats are like, but I believe it's not done for devils since they don't have the plethora of physical attacks in most cases that a dragon does.

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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
The assumed maximum for AC was 30 (equivalent to AD&D's -10). A dragon that added HD would mean, virtually, that it hit all the time. So, either HD was reduced, which was my original intent or that they were left alone (as they became) but I suggested that the attack value be different so that PCs had a chance, albeit a slim one, that the dragon "could" miss. Remember, C&C has no default rule about natural 1 or 20... so even on a 1, with a +30 bonus it means the dragon will still hit you.

It appears the assumed max AC has since been abandoned, but I would still argue that the HD bonus should remain as it is. After all, the most fearsome attack the dragon has doesn't need a roll... or well, not an attack roll: breath weapon.

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Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:47 am
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Post Re: Dragon Attacks
Thanks for the replies on this one guys.


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