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Yep, I think this will start a lovely little discussion...

This broad topic should be viewed from at least two angles: 1) CnC official world best weapon in the PH and 2) Best historic weapon that should be or could have been in the CnC PH... aka a true historic weapon.. obviously you can support your view with as much data as you like... or just name one because you like it or its cool IYHO.

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"Best" in what circumstances?
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From C&C -Gutentag 1d6+3 damage & I Love the history behind it

My favorite real world .... atl atl, or the good ole bastard sword (real world called the long sword)
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I'm going with the Turkish kilij sword, take a look on youtube for the Deadliest warrior ( I think it was Vlad vs Sun Tzu ). Its like having a normal sword with vorpal qualities.

http://youtu.be/ikVMXhcjbYc ( I think this should work )

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Club.

It's free, everyone can use it, and it does 2-7 damage. Tie a thong to it and you have an Aclis. Though, then, you are only doing 1-4 damage for the price of getting it back each round.

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Beared axe for both.

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The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. :)

Oh...official CnC weapon: Morningstar. Historic: Chinese Hook Sword
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Arduin, Looks like most folks are assuming hand to hand.. but you can specify...

I personally will choose, "a sharp mind", in all cases... OK, so stop your groaning... here would be my picks:
I like the simple club too, but historically, in gaming terms,for me personally, its got to be the long sword and dagger back up for hand to hand.
Convert that line of thought to distance weapons and its sling to match the club then for gaming for me it was always the Great Bow or Long Bow or Long Comp Bow depending on the game.. just love that image.
I guess that was it for me, image and character concept, not damage done (although calc was always in there), I liked having something to use in any situation (very boy scout - be prepared kind of thing) or just trudging on with what was at hand...
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In C&C, I'd say the bastard sword. 1d10 damage one-handed and 1d12 damage two-handed. It's ridiculously overpowered. My players love them. Why would anyone use a long sword when a bastard sword is available? God help me if I ever inject a magical bastard sword into my campaign.
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Man-catcher -- it has reach / range and keeps the opponent from striking back, easily. But, I also like the sling because its free to use, generally. Oh, and rocks. Also, since it was listed in the earliest prints: fist. Who doesn't want to load up on fists?


Best weapon not in C&C.... two of them:

Hwacha for range.
Urumi (whip sword) for melee.

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Buttmonkey wrote:In C&C, I'd say the bastard sword. 1d10 damage one-handed and 1d12 damage two-handed. It's ridiculously overpowered. My players love them. Why would anyone use a long sword when a bastard sword is available? God help me if I ever inject a magical bastard sword into my campaign.
That's why I use the 1st ed rules for them, 1d8 one handed or 1d10 two handed. Much more balanced.

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The only problem with the Hwacha is the EV value and reload time... do they have a one handed version for faster reload ;}

The Urumi video are cute, but against Arduin's Avatar I would think they tickle at most... Bastard swords I assume are heavy and expensive and take more training thus less common?? I agree they might be the weapon of choice.. I would also use that weapon as the Katana equivalent...

The Monk's "fist" with Greater Master Work Cestus are pretty darn impressive too... add some contact poison and they're simply vicious... what a Sith-ish surprise such a Monk can make in the game.
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Captain_K wrote: I like the simple club too, but historically, in gaming terms,for me personally, its got to be the long sword and dagger back up for hand to hand.
Yes, that's what I'd go with. Plus one can always throw the dagger and so has a dual use weapon. Daggers can als be concealed...
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Oh yeah, the urumi is near useless against a medium-armored opponent. However, I still like the weapon. Stylistically. Plus, I think it would be fun to vorpalize it. Being a sword, and all. Even if its a whip.

I also like emei which I suppose can just be called daggers.

Most of the really cool weapons I like (or some of them anyway) I wrote up for "Beyond the CKG." Maybe someone has it readily available. I can't access stuff from work.

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ChaosImp wrote:I'm going with the Turkish kilij sword, take a look on youtube for the Deadliest warrior ( I think it was Vlad vs Sun Tzu ). Its like having a normal sword with vorpal qualities.

http://youtu.be/ikVMXhcjbYc ( I think this should work )

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ChaosImp wrote:
Buttmonkey wrote:In C&C, I'd say the bastard sword. 1d10 damage one-handed and 1d12 damage two-handed. It's ridiculously overpowered. My players love them. Why would anyone use a long sword when a bastard sword is available? God help me if I ever inject a magical bastard sword into my campaign.
That's why I use the 1st ed rules for them, 1d8 one handed or 1d10 two handed. Much more balanced.
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About cutting the pig, was it the blade or the wielder (seemed tall but normal) or are pig carcasses easier to cut through than I think or is it some sort of trick like baking the phone book before tearing it in half???

I poked about and found this, two pigs being cut six ways to Sunday.. so I'm not sure that kilij is all that special.. check out the "Chinese war sword", the below link should get you there.. skip to the end for the pigs.. but you can tell they're having way too much fun with the thing in the rest of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PQiaurIiDM
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ChaosImp wrote:I'm going with the Turkish kilij sword, take a look on youtube for the Deadliest warrior ( I think it was Vlad vs Sun Tzu ). Its like having a normal sword with vorpal qualities.

http://youtu.be/ikVMXhcjbYc ( I think this should work )

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I've always had a soft spot for the Ahlspieß: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy6y9oXkjCo

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AND the video ends with the Godentag - another crowd favorite in CnC!
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The Art Institute in Chicago has several weapons where a flintlock is combined with the weapon. For example a sword that can also fire two shots, or a shield that has a short barrel in the boss to allow a single shot.

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