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Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:19 pm
by vivsavage
I own the "4th crusade" versions of the 3 core books (the ones with green covers). Are the new color versions offering anything other than more visual punch?

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:28 am
by Treebore
If errata hasn't been bugging you with the 4th printings, then the answer is no. They addressed some of the more obscure errata, and still missed a few things, but the biggest difference is the color.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 1:23 pm
by Captain_K
if you have the cash, why not? Then you can loan out your old books or sell them cheap to new players???

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:16 pm
by SmokestackJones
Thinking of repalcing with newer editions? One word: flipbook.

Who needs color anyway?

-SJ

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:21 pm
by Omote
I really like the new color editions of the books. Not enough written material was changed in the PHB to necessitate a new version IMO, but the new books just looks so cool. I do like the nifty new written bits in the M&T that discuss the "level" of objects producing variable results though - and the color is awesome.

~O

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:54 pm
by Buttmonkey
I loathe the color. I like the errata fixes, so I use the 6th printing at my table, but I am sad when I do so. During play, I prefer the digest size versions of the PHB and M&T. In my dream world, I'd be using digest sized B&W with the 6th printing text. Or maybe a flip book version combining the PHB and M&T.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 5:04 pm
by Rigon
I have both the color 6th print and the flipbook. I use the flipbook at the table, but I love the colored books. It blows me away every time i open it just how nice it is.

R-

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 6:46 pm
by serleran
Not to me.

But, if you like them, sure.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:02 pm
by Buttmonkey
Clearly, opinions differ. One option for the OP might be to get the 6th printing PHB in PDF and decide if he/she likes the color version before investing in a hard copy.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:23 pm
by Treebore
Buttmonkey wrote:Clearly, opinions differ. One option for the OP might be to get the 6th printing PHB in PDF and decide if he/she likes the color version before investing in a hard copy.
He wouldn't even have to buy a copy. He can, for an example, PM me and I can send him a link of my copy in Google Drive, and he can look at it and decide if he wants to buy. As long as he doesn't DL it or transfer it to his own G Drive, nothing illegal about that.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:19 am
by Captain_K
If you don't like color in PDF, can't you simply convert to a B&W version?

I would think the Trolls could offer at print full color and B&W versions when you order the books.. does not seem that hard an option to give...

Would you pay say $5 more for color or black and white to get what you want?

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:56 am
by T1Hound
I would prefer a new black and white edition with regular paper and not the magazine type paper.
Or if necessary - black and white with the magazine paper.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:38 pm
by jeffb
Fan of the color. Especially for M&T. I think it made alot of the monsters "pop".

I should note that 99% of the time I favor little to no art, b&w gaming books. I just think the color helps with the particular artists The Trolls utilize.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:43 pm
by ArgoForg
Honestly, on top of the color, I think the pages are more sturdy, myself. Either way, I really like the color books.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:02 pm
by Treebore
I'm fine with the newest color printing. I really was displeased with the 5th printing color, simply because the color combo made it hard for me to read the print in all but the brightest of lighting.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:50 am
by jeffb
I should clarify, mine are the latest color prints of the PHB and M&T.

Im unfamiliar with any previous color prints. My last set of books were the green cover b&w versions.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:16 pm
by Traveller
The 5th print PHB had three issues which caused problems. The biggest issue was the parchment toning they used on the pages proved to be too dark, which made the text hard to read. The text itself was the same size as in the 4th print, but the color was changed to a reddish-brown which tended to blend in with the parchment. Finally, the paper wasn't glossy. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but with the text issues combined with the parchment toning, having glossy pages would have helped the text stand out more.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:23 am
by Julian Grimm
Buttmonkey wrote:I loathe the color. I like the errata fixes, so I use the 6th printing at my table, but I am sad when I do so. During play, I prefer the digest size versions of the PHB and M&T. In my dream world, I'd be using digest sized B&W with the 6th printing text. Or maybe a flip book version combining the PHB and M&T.
While loathe may be too strong a word I am not a fan of the color books. I never was a big fan of much of C&C's art anyway but the shift to color, glossy pages that is hard to make notes on and the subsequent price increase due to the changes isn't enough value for me to consider buying them at full price. I much more prefer my B&W, non-glossy copies over the color versions.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:17 pm
by KeyIXTheHermit
Wow, this thread is amazing to me. I thought I was the only person in the world who would prefer black words on white paper to full color. For me, mostly, it's that full color costs more and I'd rather buy more stuff at lower prices than less stuff at higher prices, even if the less stuff is prettier, and my eyes aren't getting any younger... every year my glasses prescription gets a little stronger, and reading the text on a color book becomes increasingly difficult.

I am unfamiliar with a "flip book." I guess that's my next thing to google.

Anyway, I found this thread surprising and enlightening. I hope the creators of the game are taking notes!

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:57 pm
by Buttmonkey
It's not just you, Ke...rmit. I think the artwork is much better in black and white. It seems "colorized" to me. I believe all of the interior art was drawn and intended to be printed in B&W. Color was added later when the 5th printing came out. Just ick.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:46 pm
by KeyIXTheHermit
Apparently it's not easy being green... or red, blue, or yellow, for that matter! :lol:

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:01 am
by Julian Grimm
Well that's three of us in the bring back B&W brigade. :lol:

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:32 pm
by SmokestackJones
Julian Grimm wrote:Well that's three of us in the bring back B&W brigade. :lol:
Four.

-SJ

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:15 pm
by alcyone
If the Trolls ever do a Rules Cyclopedia style combined book, I'd like to see it as B&W with line and pencil art. My preference would be Ian Baggley (Astonishing Swordsmen and Sorcerors of Hyperborea), or something in the style of Bernie Wrightson's "Frankenstein" work. But I like a dark, realistic, grim style.

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:13 am
by moriarty777
I thought about making an off coloured joke here but that would be in poor taste. Oops. ;)

I think the newest colour printings are fantastic but I do have a soft spot for the B/W books. I was happy with those and, honestly, I don't care for the expanded spell content that was introduced in the 4th print. The thing is, we're by large, already sold on the game. We all saw something there and picked up our C&C books, in some cases, years ago!

That said, given the looks of some of sleeker gaming books in recent years, it often didn't warrant a second look for many others which is a shame. Who knows what the size of the fanbase could have been if they had gone full colour a decade ago? When I ran something for FreeRPG Day last weekend, the look of the new books really drew some positive attention and this is a good thing. More people buying stuff means TLG stays in business a while longer after all. ;)

All that being said, did they ever revise the flipbook after the latest printings (but keep in b/w)? I had a flip book, and parted with it a year or two back. I love the use and practicality of it though.

M

Re: Are the color books worth replacing my "old" editions?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:22 am
by Julian Grimm
SmokestackJones wrote:
Julian Grimm wrote:Well that's three of us in the bring back B&W brigade. :lol:
Four.

-SJ

We should all add "Proud Member of the Bring Back B&W Books Brigade" or something like that to our sigs. LOL

moriarty777 wrote:I thought about making an off coloured joke here. . .
I saw what you did there. *groan*

:lol: