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Strength and lifting maximums 
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Henchman

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Post Strength and lifting maximums
Hi all,

I'm trying to work out the description of strength in C&C and need some pointers.

In the PHB it states that a character can military press 10x strength score, and deadlift 15x strength score.

First of all, I assume this is in pounds but I don't see that stated in the relevant section. Is anyone able to confirm?

Secondly, if that were the case the strength of characters seems way too low. A strength 18 character could, at best, lift 180lbs and deadlift 270lbs.

In terms of the strongest humans you're looking at military presses of 450lbs+ and deadlift of 1,100lbs. A strength score of between 45 and 73!!

I must be interpreting this incorrectly, perhaps it's in KG? That'd make the military press look about right but still under-predict the deadlift. Or perhaps it's meant to represent being able to repeat the task many times over without tiring.

A possible solution might be something like the exceptional strength d100 rule from 2nd ed AD&D, which allows it to scale to extremes at 18 and allows for an exponential curve. Something like the below for deadlift strength looks more appropriate to me:

Strength Deadlift
10 135
11 185
12 225
13 275
14 315
15 405
16 600
17 800
18 1,000

Any help understanding this appreciated. I know it doesn't make much difference but it's the kind of little detail that I keep coming back to.


Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:42 pm
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Mogrl

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Post Re: Strength and lifting maximums
It is essentially taken directly inspired by First Edition AD&D.

Clearly there are people stronger and the values may not be perfectly "realistic" but they are not supposed to be -- merely to act as a gauge for what may not require a Strength check. I mean, if Guy X can lift 150 pounds, he doesn't need to check when the object weighs less... unless situations make it so they do (like being pinned by it, in a fire, with buddies dying all around.)

I would not suggest percentile Strength at all. Maybe double / increase the existing weights. I tend to increase by 50% so an 18 can deadlift 405 -- still, much lower than some of those competitors in the Strongest Man things, but it works enough for me.


Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:11 pm
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Post Re: Strength and lifting maximums
Simple house rule.... 25#/point of STR up to 18. STR I do not think is linear after 18... STR is already on a bell curve. I would house rule something like Lift doubles with each point over 18. 450# for 18, 900# for 19, 1800# for 20, etc. This helps the Gods and Giants alike. Same rule for INT, WIS, CHA... your into the realm of the divine and things should not be linear over mortal limits.

Dead life should be double that at 50#/point of STR up to 18.

Should be simple and more realistic...

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:00 am
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Henchman

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Post Re: Strength and lifting maximums
Captain_K wrote:
Simple house rule.... 25#/point of STR up to 18. STR I do not think is linear after 18... STR is already on a bell curve. I would house rule something like Lift doubles with each point over 18. 450# for 18, 900# for 19, 1800# for 20, etc. This helps the Gods and Giants alike. Same rule for INT, WIS, CHA... your into the realm of the divine and things should not be linear over mortal limits.

Dead life should be double that at 50#/point of STR up to 18.

Should be simple and more realistic...


Yes I like this kind of system which ensures the strength of mythical beings is beyond a simple linear progressions of 18 and under scores.

Seems like fixing the low strength issue could be adult fixed in a re-printing even if you didn’t adopt an exponential curve.


Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:10 am
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