No new edition of C&C ever?

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No new edition of C&C ever?

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I've heard a rumor to this effect and I personally hope it's the truth!

There's a lot of wisdom in not fracturing your game's player base with countless editions and upgrades (the way D&D/AD&D have traditionally been handled).

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There will only ever be reprints. The rules will never significantly change. Hence, no new editions, ever. At most, and best, there will be slight variants, like the "basic" edition, which removes race/class and goes with race only (except humans) but the rules, themselves, remain the same.

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A very good call.

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I do hope this turns out to be true in the long run, but "never say never", as they say.

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Post by Beyondthebreach »

Isn't it always hard to say what the years might bring? 5 years pass . . . 10 years pass . . . if TLG is still around a decade from now (and I hope they are!) the passage of time may make a difference. New ideas . . . new gaming philosophy . . . new need for cash flow . . . new ownership . . .

I can't think of a long standing RPG that hasn't at least gone to 2nd edition. Can Castles & Crusades be the first ever?

We'll see . . .

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Re: No new edition of C&C ever?

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Yamo wrote:
I've heard a rumor to this effect and I personally hope it's the truth!

There's a lot of wisdom in not fracturing your game's player base with countless editions and upgrades (the way D&D/AD&D have traditionally been handled).

Thats the plan. But even IF, in the long run, feedback is such that a revisit to the presentation of the game is warranted, I don't imagine anything like that would be seen any sooner than 5-10 years down the road.

Even then, it would still be more like a reprinting with the text tightened up, new art perhaps, and a more refined presentation and better clarified rules explanations, no major rules changes.

For those who like rules expansions, thats what the CKG is for. Advice on how to custom your game for you. Which is in keeping with the core C&C philosophy.
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I think after a certain number of reprints the game will evolve into a new edition. After three printings we have seen changes in the poison rules and minor additions to the equipment list. In 10-15 years I could see and advocate a C&C 2e but only after the evolution and reprint variations warrent the change.
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C&C is already like a very refined 5th edition by itself.
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Nope. It's what d20 Fantasy should have been.
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Post by Harry Joy »

Traveller wrote:
Nope. It's what d20 Fantasy should have been.

That's exactly what I've been telling the naysayers for a year now.

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I am now finished with session 4 with my group and so far they are all sold on C&C. The only complaint I have had is from my player doing a Wizard wishing for a few more spells, and I did discuss with him the philosophy of the wizard and he seems ok, but I also think the system wouldn't be averse to adding some spells as long as such an endeavor doesn't get totally out of hand... I will probably create an "Aihrde book of spells" myself reflecting a few wizards from the world (aka Bigby and Mordenkainen's lists from Greyhawk).
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I don't think there will be a need for a second edition, the Trolls got it right the first time.
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I could see a second edition emerging as a result of sufficiently popular house rules.

If there were house rules that became so popular and worked so well amongst a large enough segment of the players, then i could see justification for making these rules an official part of the core.

Unlike other editions of certain nameless RPGs, such changes would not require you to rebuild your entire setting or characters. Heh.

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Post by Beyondthebreach »

Now I'm not trying to be a downer . . . I'm just trying to be pragmatic . . .
A 2nd edition isn't always necessary from a rules standpoint . . . there are several comments of how the Trolls got it right the 1st time or something similar . . .

I'm not denying that . . . I'm just saying that one of the reasons for 2nd edition is to make some more cash . . . It's not a bad thing for a company to do - after all, employees/owners need to make money. Given time, most RPG companies have folded as the years pass.

So what happens in 10 years when a lot of the "hard" fan base has moved on? Some will stay and keep playing, of course. In either case, those who do and don't play won't need another Player's Handbook. "No Thanks", I've got printings #1 - 5 as it is . . .

New players? Sure! C&C sounds great and I'm going to check it out! Umm, new price looks a little steep. This game is 10 years old, ya' know. There are two dozen copies on ebay for $6 from guys who don't play anymore . . .

You can't always rely on new players to keep buying your Core books because all those "old" core books will still be around at used book stores, Amazon and ebay . . . and the "old" players? Well, maybe they will spend the additional money to try 2nd edition. If not, they can still play 1st edition (and make a forum "bashing" 2E and all those "new" gamers who don't understand what C&C is "really" about! )

I imagine without a new edition and with limited additional accessory/core books in mind for the future, that this can be an issue in years to come . . .

Again . . . I'm just trying to look at this objectively . . . what is just said might never occur; but it's certainly a possibility, is it not?

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Post by rabindranath72 »

I do not think the core book should be the selling point of the company in any case. If something isn't broken, why repair it?

Instead, there should be more space for campaign settings, adventure modules, expansions. You can always bring more of these to the players.

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