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C&C dragons - who uses them?

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Given their rather powerful qualities, I was curious as to whether anyone on these boards uses them, or uses 1st ed. dragons, etc. instead.
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slimykuotoan wrote:
Given their rather powerful qualities, I was curious as to whether anyone on these boards uses them, or uses 1st ed. dragons, etc. instead.

Yes, and I even ramp up their power.

Never liked wimpy dragons.
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As Treebore noticed one day, I'm rather nasty when it comes to dragons. I use the C&C dragons, but with their hit die boosted to a d20. They're simply not powerful enough for me as written.
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I haven't... yet. I try to keep dragons as elusive as possible. Everyone knows what a dragon is and when I chose to use one, I like the players to be in awe and in fear for their character's continued existence!

They've just hit 6th level... somewhere between 6 and 10 is when I plan to unleash one on them. As such, I haven't taken a very good look at them yet. I used to modify a few features relative to their size and age in AD&D 2E and if I find these C&C versions lacking, I'll likely apply a similar logic to these.

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Dragons and demons were the hardest thing to create rules for, especially considering I didn't have a PHB or the Collector's Box, and the rules were always changing anyway.... so, there are some assumptions in them that might seem weird (such as age being more important than HD in many cases) but oh well.

Oh, to answer: I have not ran a C&C game with a dragon in it. I find dragons boring... too clich.

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I haven't used the C&C dragons yet but I have used my dragons which are more reptillian and anmialistic than mythical. I'm saving the C&C dragons for a special purpose...
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I like them and would use them. They seem to scale just about as well as AD&D dragons for the lower levels. I'd have no probably throwing a baby white dragon at an AD&D 1st level party or at a C&C 1st level party.

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I'll use the C&C versions once my players' characters hit an appropriate level (the party is all 1st level at the moment and already bitching about the slow leveling - damn you, WoW!). For now, I'm using the Miasmal Wryms supplement for some fun. The PCs didn't enjoy having unk wyrms vomiting on them Friday night.
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I have used C&C dragons in my games several times. Only one player death, and one dragon fallen. The other dragon... an age 8 white dragon, with a cool head, and a devious mind. No characters would dare touch good old, Twiboros. For the lands is ruled by kings, but belongs to him.

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Buttmonkey wrote:
The PCs didn't enjoy having unk wyrms vomiting on them Friday night.
I'll have to make sure Steve sees this.
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gideon_thorne wrote:
I'll have to make sure Steve sees this.

One stinky PC made sure to buy soap when he got back to town. The player took great pleasure in reminding me he had soap the next time he was puked on.
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My players are about to learn that a black dragon is behind the lizardman tribes attacking their town. I sometimes like useing dragons in unexpected situations. When they're expecting an evil druid lurking in the swamp or alternativly an ilusionist is useing a dragons lair as a base of operations and extorting the townsfolk with his fake dragons. Always remember to play the dragon as an intelligent opponent. They can learn to exploit assuptions/cliches.

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I think I used a very young black dragon early on, but have yet to unleash a truly powerful dragon in any of my campaigns. I can't remember exactly what I had planned, but I know I was planning on using a few houserules to amp them up a bit.
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I do not use the C&C Dragons in my game world. They are to powerful for the way that Dragons exist in my game world.

So, I had to create my own and they work nicely, so far.
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I've not really played C+C yet, as my RL gaming group is hopelessly lost in the quagmire that is 3.X. But I rather like the dragons the way they are. If anything, I might even beef them up a bit.

Speaking of dragons, is there a conversion of the Oriental Adventures lung dragons floating about anywhere?

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is there a conversion of the Oriental Adventures lung dragons floating about anywhere?

Which version? They've appeared more than once.

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Also, thanks all for the feedback on dragons.

This is another case of damned either way. Some people say the dragons are too powerful, and others say they are not powerful enough. Guess they are so iconic that everyone has their own special unique way of seeing them....

I wonder what y'all will think of the couple new ones in M&T II...

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I wonder what y'all will think of the couple new ones in M&T II...

I am sooo looking forward to this resource; as far as I'm concerned, a story's only as good as its villains.

More monsters, more I say!
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I concur, the more monsters, the better.
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Alwyn wrote:
I concur, the more monsters, the better.

I will also say the same... as we have been saying for years now. Mo' monsters and mo' treasure = mo' betta' C&C.

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I use the C&C dragons for sure. And they're not necessarily too powerful, IMO. Just about right I'd say. But then, one shouldn't throw an old wyrm at a low level party or fagettaboutit.

Use the age/power charts wisely and you should be OK.

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Kos wrote:
My players are about to learn that a black dragon is behind the lizardman tribes attacking their town. I sometimes like useing dragons in unexpected situations. When they're expecting an evil druid lurking in the swamp or alternativly an ilusionist is useing a dragons lair as a base of operations and extorting the townsfolk with his fake dragons. Always remember to play the dragon as an intelligent opponent. They can learn to exploit assuptions/cliches.

Have the illusionist make the black dragon appear to be a green dragon, so when the party buff themselves up with acid protection blast them with gas. You would be unpopular for a while , but they might respect the creativity.

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Funny enough the party I DM for are about to fight their first dragon, and its also a black. His allies were also lizardmen and a greenhag mage. They killed all his allies and are about to move in on him, unfortunatetly his treasure is kept within the swamp underwater and tons of weeds. Also the dragon has a pet frogemoth lurking nearby, the damm thing is worse than the dragon. And yes my party fear me
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ChaosImp wrote:
Have the illusionist make the black dragon appear to be a green dragon, so when the party buff themselves up with acid protection blast them with gas. You would be unpopular for a while , but they might respect the creativity.

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That's the only tactic the Potions of Rainbow Hues from the old OOP UA seemed to be useful for...

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ChaosImp wrote:
Have the illusionist make the black dragon appear to be a green dragon, so when the party buff themselves up with acid protection blast them with gas. You would be unpopular for a while , but they might respect the creativity.

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Nice one. If monsters get cliche, use unexpected tactics. Just do it in moderation.

Dragon printed a great article back in the day of unorthdox orc tactics/tricks. Can't remember the title though.

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I used them in my Dragonlance games, and they work perfectly. They have the right level of power so that low level characters are scared to death, and high level ones show a healthy respect. My players will not forget so easily the new incarnation of Khisanth as a category 12 C&C black dragon

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Post by Eisenmann »

I really like how dragons are written up in M&T. I'll be using a silver dragon in an upcoming story arc for two 1st level characters.

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I am taking a bit of a different path with dragons in my current C&C game.

I am using a Green Dragon as a deity for my entire party. They are required to sacrifice 25% of all acquired treasure to her as the preferred method of worship.

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I use the OD&D dragons from the 3LB + Greyhawk with a little extra house-ruling thrown in. I'm happy to post the stats if anyone would like to see them.

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Ha! My players finally made their way down to the third level in "Thieves of fortress Badabaskor."

I finally got to use that massive red dragon figure. They were floored. There are countless times when the Paladin in the group would just charge if she detected evil. Not this time!

I don't really use the C&C dragons btb. In my world dragons are very powerful.

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