Scrying modifiers (possible errata)

bighara · Post by **bighara** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:20 pm

Since we can no longer add to errata threads b/c they are in Keeper Advice :

p. 91 PHB3rdP

All the modifiers are listed as a "+" regardless of whether they make scrying easier or harder. This is -IMO- goofed.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:45 pm

All modifiers can be positive, depending which side of the equation they're modifying...

d20 + level + attribute bonus + miscellaneous >= 12/18 + CL + modifiers

If its a bonus to the player, it goes on the left side. If it makes it harder, it adds to the right side.

So, its not "wrong," on a purely technical base, but it might be confusing.
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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:05 pm

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bighara · Post by **bighara** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:24 pm

serleran wrote:
All modifiers can be positive, depending which side of the equation they're modifying...

d20 + level + attribute bonus + miscellaneous >= 12/18 + CL + modifiers

If its a bonus to the player, it goes on the left side. If it makes it harder, it adds to the right side.

So, its not "wrong," on a purely technical base, but it might be confusing.

Considering nothing in the spell description states what side of the equation a given modifier is applied to I would say it is, at the very least, confusing. A GM or player can probably puzzle it out for themselves, but it is poorly presented as is.

mgtremaine · Post by **mgtremaine** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:43 pm

*casts* raise dead thread....

I have to agree with this the spell is confusing, I was just reading it and checked it in both 3rd and 4th printing. Then I came here to see if it was ever mentioned.

I would urge that for the 5th printing or if the CKG has any spell clarification that it be included.

Presenting it like

..following cumulative modifiers.

Caster knows the target well +5

Caster has only met the target +5

Is whacky. At least add "+5 CL" to the modifiers that affect CL. [For a example]

-Mike

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon May 24, 2010 4:42 pm

CL would be a poor choice for words, as that could mean, especially in the description of a spell, "caster level." Instead, I would, like many (if not everything else) other examples listing those which make something harder as a negative. While it is not "wrong" to list it as a bonus, it does make it more difficult to understand the point.
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mgtremaine · Post by **mgtremaine** » Mon May 24, 2010 5:04 pm

Couldn't agree more, "-" would make it sooo much more clear. Just figured I'd bump this so any Trolls lurking under the bridge would see it.
-Mike