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Gelatinous Cube AC?

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in M&T 2nd printing, G Cube (sounds like a rapper) is listed w/ AC 3.

Is that a typo or is it THAT easy to hit since it's like hitting the side of a barn?

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Relaxo wrote:
in M&T 2nd printing, G Cube (sounds like a rapper) is listed w/ AC 3.

Is that a typo or is it THAT easy to hit since it's like hitting the side of a barn?

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Makes complete sense to me. I don't exactly see a giant cube of jelly as being very agile.
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If a Gelatinous Cube could talk, what would it say?
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As I recall it, yes, the GC was supposed to be very easy to hit... but, it assumes you know it is there. If it is empty, it is effectively invisible, which makes it much harder to hit (+8 AC or something.)
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serleran wrote:
As I recall it, yes, the GC was supposed to be very easy to hit... but, it assumes you know it is there. If it is empty, it is effectively invisible, which makes it much harder to hit (+8 AC or something.)

Wait -- so that's not a typo, then? I'd (seriously) been assuming that somehow some old AD&D AC had been plugged in and converted it to AC 17 on the fly... Perhaps this'll be a secret that I'll keep from my players, as the cubes have been particularly nasty to them...

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Harsh, Pat.
I've been reading the entry a lot recently (stay tuned) and it's like, you need a wisdom check at +4 CL to see it, or you walk right into it (which paralyzes and dissolves you, ouch)... but like Serleran said, once you can perceive it, how can you miss other than to fumble?

um, serl.... think it's too bad ass for 1st level characters?

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If so Relaxo, at least they haven't really invested anyhting in their character yet.

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Yeah, I thought it was a typo, too, to begin with - like someone had left off a '1' (AC 13). I haven't used one yet, but I figured with the wisdom check it was pretty much how the others above described.
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Read the full write-up a little more closely -- they have total concealment even when attacking. According to the PHB, total concealment is an effective +10 AC. Therefore, the effective AC against most attackers, would be 13; however, should you be unfortunate enough to be engulfed but not paralyzed, the AC is 3. Or, AC3 if there is some weird spell / effect / attack that would ignore concealment.

The Wisdom check is essentially a means to detect the GC is present; the higher CL is if one happens to not detect (or walks directly into it, perhaps by the GC moving...)

But, even in my original notes, the AC was 3.
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Gotcha...so I was kind of right and didn't even know it. Didn't connect the concealment with the AC bonus. Thanks serl!
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um, serl.... think it's too bad ass for 1st level characters?

It depends on how they're presented -- the more of them to encounter, the more likely death will result. A cube is pretty standard encounter fare for all sorts of levels. My personal preference is to use them in dungeons for all levels: 1+, with progressively more dangerous effects (ie, engulf / suffocate as opposed to engulf / paralyze / slow dissolution by acid) so, no, I don't really think they're too bad-ass. You could make them worse, too, such as having them "eat" something like crude oil (perhaps a few flasks) which might darken them to pure black and have them found in halls without lights... that wya, they increase the odds of being stumbled into, perhaps into the realms of automatic. All in how you want the party to react, or what you want to "teach" -- if they're careful and use 10 foot poles, they'll discover its there... but, if they just walk around and assume its safe... well, munch.
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serleran wrote:
Read the full write-up a little more closely -- they have total concealment even when attacking. According to the PHB, total concealment is an effective +10 AC. Therefore, the effective AC against most attackers, would be 13; however, should you be unfortunate enough to be engulfed but not paralyzed, the AC is 3. Or, AC3 if there is some weird spell / effect / attack that would ignore concealment.

The Wisdom check is essentially a means to detect the GC is present; the higher CL is if one happens to not detect (or walks directly into it, perhaps by the GC moving...)

But, even in my original notes, the AC was 3.

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serleran wrote:
It depends on how they're presented...

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Cool all around. Thnaks all!

aside: they're also good at the bottom of pits....
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How about a GC released from a ceiling trap, with a Ring of Feather Fall inside it? Floats silently down and engulfs those under it.
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bighara wrote:
"You're a pineapple chunk!"
How about a GC released from a ceiling trap, with a Ring of Feather Fall inside it? Floats silently down and engulfs those under it.

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bighara wrote:
How about a GC released from a ceiling trap, with a Ring of Feather Fall inside it? Floats silently down and engulfs those under it.

Reminds me of the scene near the end of the movie "Fantastic Voyage", where Dr. Michaels (Donald Pleasance) is trapped in the pilot's chair of the submarine Proteus and subsequently consumed by leukocytes.
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Now, see, its things like that that make me love gaming. A GC with a ring of the chameleon would be pretty slick too.
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I like GCs that offer up something fun like a Deck of Many Things.

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Relaxo wrote:
Cool all around. Thnaks all!

aside: they're also good at the bottom of pits....

devilish, I like it
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