[HH] Black Libram of Nartarus

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:59 pm

I picked up this sourcebook over the weekend. It's pretty neat, and JAM PACKED with stuff for your Haunted Highlands game. Some of the spells make this product very mich like a "Book of Vile Darkness" for your HH games, and that is great! Wow, some spells are devestating! Material components are important again, and that's a good thing for such vile spells.

What I really like the most about this small sourcebook is the new mosnters section. It's laid out very nice, and makes me think that there could be a Black Libram II at some point.
For the price, great (and terrible) things are going to infect your Haunted Highlands, or any C&C game.

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Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:33 pm

I'll have to pick this up soon.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:46 pm

I think I will be holding off on purchases until after GenCon. I'll try and squirrel away some cash into my savings in the meanwhile.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:19 am

Like Tree, I may have to hold off on some purchases until/after GenCon. I've got a few things in my box at my FLGS, but other than that I may have to slow down until the Con, or I'll make my budget.
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Aladar · Post by **Aladar** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:21 pm

I am still looking and waiting for the PDF copy.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:52 pm

I'm waiting to make a 'sizable' order before I get this (if I order straight from TLG) or for it to show up at one of my local stores or online retailers I frequent and order from regularly.

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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:00 pm

What mort said. I am considering downsizing my buying until during or after GenCon, but if my FLGS orders it, I'll pick it up. I've been pulling teeth with the guy to get CnC stuff in. I bought Arms and Armor directly, but my FLGS got it in, rather quickly (to my suprise). I felt bad, but I tried to explain that if they were consistant, I'd be buying more from them.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:13 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
What mort said. I am considering downsizing my buying until during or after GenCon, but if my FLGS orders it, I'll pick it up. I've been pulling teeth with the guy to get CnC stuff in. I bought Arms and Armor directly, but my FLGS got it in, rather quickly (to my suprise). I felt bad, but I tried to explain that if they were consistant, I'd be buying more from them.

Hehe... the same sort of thing happened with Towers of Adventure. I had started ordering the stuff through the store since I found they weren't necessarily aware of what is coming out (or when) since the demand isn't on the same scale as other products but I made a point to ordering the GenCon releases (StarSiege, UW, and ToA) at the beginning of the September. When I found out that ToA wouldn't make an appearance till the end of 2008 as far as distribution went, I canceled and ordered it direct.

About a month or so ago, they call me to say that they brought this in if I was interested. I guess it pays to be a good customer. Last time I went in, it was still on the shelves and it is currently the ONLY C&C product on the shelves. They put the limited other stuff they had on sale and I'm happy to say that someone other than myself has been buying it up.

The store is aware of the new trade dress for C&C and will probably be ordering some other stuff for it in the near future. I just hope the new PHB is available before Free RPG day. It looks like I will be a sucker again and run a C&C demo on the day in question. It would be nice to have the new books available before then.

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:41 pm

Bowbe rarely disappoints.
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:18 pm

Thanks Omote for the kind words!

I just got my printed copy today as well and Peter indeed managed to stuff the book with content, far beyond anything I could have imagined. Of course I should prepare myself for that because I get surprised quite often in this business.

I did notice a typo in a raichee spell where it has like (x) where (x) is supposed to read plague. Woops!

Bottom line, from any game company on the planet other than TLG this book would have been artificially stretched to 48 pages with charges passed on to you in the neighborhood of 18 bucks!

Steve, Peter and the gang manage to get it to 35 for $10. Sweet deal. Thats some economic stimulus I can get behind.

C.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:11 pm

Raichee? I hope that is not pronounced like reiki... an actual real-world alternate medicine thing.
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:58 am

Naw... I pronounce it Ree Ah Chee don't know where i dreamed it up. Could have been lifting names from babble my kid made when she was 2.

C.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:00 am

Heh, those little things do give inspiration, I hear. Cool tidbit. Thanks.
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CKDad · Post by **CKDad** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:44 pm

I'm planning to order both this and the new M&T via my FLGS to try and get Castles & Crusades (and TLG in general) on their radar. It may be an uphill battle, but figure it can't hurt to try.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:50 pm

CKDad wrote:
I'm planning to order both this and the new M&T via my FLGS to try and get Castles & Crusades (and TLG in general) on their radar. It may be an uphill battle, but figure it can't hurt to try.

Fastest way to do that is to send Steve their phone number. He'll give em a call and set up some product coming their way.
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Frost · Post by **Frost** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:52 pm

Bowbe wrote:
Bottom line, from any game company on the planet other than TLG this book would have been artificially stretched to 48 pages with charges passed on to you in the neighborhood of 18 bucks!

Steve, Peter and the gang manage to get it to 35 for $10. Sweet deal. Thats some economic stimulus I can get behind.

TLG always gives you a lot bang for your bucket. All killer, no filler.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:08 pm

Frost wrote:
TLG always gives you a lot bang for your bucket. All killer, no filler.

Yeah....that.

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CKDad · Post by **CKDad** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:45 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Fastest way to do that is to send Steve their phone number. He'll give em a call and set up some product coming their way.

I think these guys are going to be more amenable to a ground-up approach - seeing people vote with their wallets by purchasing the stuff, rather than yet another game company trying to get a piece of their attention and shelf-space. Though I do intend to talk to the owner about chatting with the Trolls at GenCon, and will certainly put them in touch if he's amenable beforehand.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:33 am

CKDad wrote:
I think these guys are going to be more amenable to a ground-up approach - seeing people vote with their wallets by purchasing the stuff, rather than yet another game company trying to get a piece of their attention and shelf-space. Though I do intend to talk to the owner about chatting with the Trolls at GenCon, and will certainly put them in touch if he's amenable beforehand.

I gave Steve the number of my FLGS some time ago, but I don't know if he ever made contact with them. I had been wearing down the guy at the FLGS for some time, and he finally broke down and ordered a sizable order of C&C stuff. He seems to be having a hard time ordering more, though. Not on a distribution end, just his own hang ups, it seems. If he gets a Black Libram in, I'll pick it up, but I don't know if he will if I don't hound him about it.
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:10 am

I feel you guys with your FLGS's. I've had my own turn of troubles getting stuff stocked that I've worked on. I had a guy once who tried like hell to sell me a copy of slayers guide to centaurs because some girl he knew helped write it, but wouldn't order stuff I was doing with Necromancer games because he didn't care for white wolf. This went on with a variety of his personal hangups and what have you ad nauseum.

Though I tried like hell to be nice for several years I finally gave it up and moved on and happily spend my money elsewhere. Not that they care. They manage just fine now making most of their money selling snacks of all things, to people playing the various warhammer games. Chips and sodas evidently keep the lights on.

I could go in and get the foam inserts for army transport bags there for much less than I could order them online for but why bother? Same with glue or paint. I'm actually willing to spend the extra 2-10 dollars ordering my own gamer crack online then dealing with all the added hassle. Sad huh?

Luckily there are other places, other employees, and an occassional friendly ear willing to hear you out and who aren't worried about you being a "true believer" of some game system they never heard of and can't get "collectibles" money out of.

C.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:15 pm

Heck, when I first moved here I was still interested in buying 3E stuff, but my LGS wouldn't stock any Goodman or Necromancer.White Wolf, or Kenzer products. He said they wouldn't sell. He offered to special order for me, I said no thanks, its faster and more convenient for me to just order it on line and have it delivered to my house instead. Not to mention almost always significantly cheaper.

With the convenience of online, and the extra features starting to appear that allow you to check out products in a virtual 3-D manner, I see store fronts going the way of the Dodo bird in the next 10 to 20 years.
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Akrasia · Post by **Akrasia** » Fri May 15, 2009 10:48 pm

I just got this, and quite like it! I really like the way that necromancers are handled by the book -- any spellcasting class can become a necromancer. That should make for a nicely varied set of antagonists for the PCs.

The book isn't just for the HH, and can be used easily in any fantasy setting. In fact, you could use it with other FRPGs (0e D&D, Basic D&D, 1e AD&D, etc.), as well as C&C.

My only complaint: the woman on the cover looks quite weird (turn the cover 90 degrees and you'll see what I mean).
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:15 am

Oh, name of missing spell someone pointed out (Missing spell name that is)...

I believe it's summon vampire, call vampire, or vampiric pact LOL.
whichever you like. We could vote on it.

C>

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon May 18, 2009 1:44 pm

Vampiric Pact. Vote in.

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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:07 pm

There's only one solution to the cover art problem. Don't turn the cover 90 degree's.
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:13 pm

I just stopped in my FLGS to pick up some minis. I figured I'd take a look to see if any TLG stuff was around, and sure enough, there was the Black Libram. I tried calling the Trolls last week to order and couldn't get through, so when I saw it, I picked it up. I also made a point of telling the owner that if he was going to stock it, I'd pick it up through him (I'll even forego my society discount). He sounded pleased. Hopefully I'll start seeing more C&C stuff there.

So far, so good. I'm liking what I'm seeing. I need to get further into it (more in depth instead of the quick perusal it got when I came home), but I'm really enjoying this. I'm seeing some definite possibilities for story hooks. Well done, Casey! Keep 'em coming. I'll buy them.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:13 pm

My copy is inbound... I should have it sometime later this week. I ordered it through NKG since I was picking up a couple other items. I look forward to going through it.

Once in, I'll probably start pressuring my FLGS to start supporting C&C once more and get him to order a couple copies of the new M&T and this book too. A shame the new PHB isn't a bit further along though.

Does anyone know if these will be out and in distribution before Free RPG Day?

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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:25 pm

What's your favorite spell?

Anyone totally f'ed up a party of adventurers with any of the gems from this book yet?

C.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:07 pm

Haven't used a one of them yet. Looking forward at some point as I have been a "must used weird and different spells" kick.

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Hybban · Post by **Hybban** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:23 pm

I think that this Libram mixed in with the Tainted Lands I received this week will be a total killer... I love dark gloomy things
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