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<r>Isn't Freeport: The City of Adventure the old d20 system sourcebook?<br/> <br/> The new system neutral sourcebook is called The Pirate's Guide to Freeport...<br/> <URL url="http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Guide-Freeport-Setting-Roleplaying/dp/1932442723/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1...

I must examine this product. Thanks!

Where did Paizo rework skills?

<t>Originally I thought I'd just use the skill list from the Rules Cyclopedia, but as I started working on it, it seemed better to go with something inspired by 3E, with a few ideas borrowed from True20. Currently my skill list looks like this...<br/> <br/> Acrobatics (Dex); Armor Penalty<br/> <br/>...

For sure. I think I'm just going to go for a wisdom check instead and see how that goes.

And since I've been thinking about the nature of disguises lately, shouldn't it be a wisdom check to see through a disguise instead of an intelligence check? Traditionally wisdom is the attribute of perceptive tasks, no?

<t>Oh yeah, I totally forgot the illusionist has a Disguise class ability as well. The description there appears to be missing a +12 modifier if the impersonated individual is intimate with the observer.<br/> <br/> Anyway, the way the book reads to me, it sounds like when an assassin puts on a disgu...

<t>I have a question about the assassin's Disguise class ability as described in the 2nd printing of the Players Handbook. In the last paragraph, it says that suspicious individuals observing a disguised assassin are allowed an intelligence check to penetrate the disguise. Then it lists modifiers fo...

Yeah, that sounds pretty good actually. Although I might try it with a +3 bonus to the class ability instead of a CL+3 to the skill...the idea being that a task doesn't become inherently more difficult because there classes who can do it better.

<t>That sounds like a pretty good system, Mythago. Unfortunately for me, I feel like I need to work in a system where characters get some skill points each level to spend on either increasing skills they already have, or learning new ones. Mechanically the system I'm trying to work out is very simil...

<t>Thanks for the replies, everyone.<br/> <br/> Personally I'd love to just run the game as written and rely on SIEGE checks for skill checks, but some of my potential players really like spending points on "builds" for their characters. For that reason, going with something like 1e's secondary skil...

<t>I'm currently working on a skill list that's basically modified from 3e, but I'm also using stuff from the Rules Cyclopedia. For those who use some kind of skill system, do you use skills that do the same thing as a class ability? I'm trying to decide whether I should have skills such as Climb, H...

I suppose I probably have enough 3e material where I'd probably have no trouble coming up with a list of feats. I do have a Rules Cyclopedia and it's where I'm probably going to get my skill list from =)

Turanil wrote: If you think converting yourself 3e feats to C&C would be a tedious and not so easy exercise, I would suggest the following PDF (for 3$): First Edition Feats (although it is mostly combat feats) Interesting...for $3 it certainly seems worth a look. It might be good for some ideas...

<t>Yeah, a simple system is what I'm looking for. Personally I wouldn't mind just using the SIEGE engine to drive everything, but some of the people that I'd be trying to entice into a game definitely like to feel like they have choices when building their characters. I'm hoping that a relatively si...

<t>I'm going to be trying out C&C for a game, and I think I'm going to use a simple list of 3e feats to appeal to potential players who want to feel like they have some concrete ability to customize their character. I know there are C&C players out there using feats. Do you use trees such as...

Actually, it was extremely helpful.

Oh yeah, I lurk over there and have skimmed over that post, although I didn't absorb that they were first level characters.

Cool, thanks!

That's what I was hoping. Thanks!

Has anyone ever run any of the Dungeon Crawl Classics modules written for 0-level characters, but using 1st level characters? I'm wondering if it would be fun, or if the challenge level would be too easy for the PC's.

Orpheus wrote:
Hey Ozric...nice tentacles!
I SAID TENTACLES!!!!

Clearly I use my internet alter-ego to pay homage to that most miraculous of all bands

moriarty777 wrote: Hey Ozric, I do the exact same thing... start with a base of 18 and those who have primes add a +6 with whatever else to their rolls. Makes it simpler IMO (especially for players coming from a 3.x background). A simple way to work it in this framework is to add '3' to the listed ...

serleran wrote: Or, you can just do something like: DC < 10 -- no roll DC 11 - 15 -- difficulty 1 DC 16 - 20 -- difficulty 1d4 DC 21 - 25 -- difficulty 1d6 DC 26 - 30 -- difficulty 2d4 DC 31 - 35 -- difficulty 2d6 DC 36 - 40 -- difficulty 3d4 And so on and so forth. Its a bit weirder, but it ignore...

Nifelhein wrote:
It works like this: DC - 12 = CL (which is added to the base 12 or 18 for prime/non prime).

Ah, okay. So really you're just rolling the DC as printed if prime, and figuring what to add to 18 if not prime.

Thanks!

<t>I'm not played a C&C game before, but I'm planning to try it in the near future using some kind of d20 setting, so I've been looking into conversion ideas.<br/> <br/> I plan on trying the variant where 18 is always the challange base, but the player gets a +6 modifier for primes.<br/> <br/> I...

Treebore wrote:
Yeah, I got the "light bulb" when I read that idea. Then the "Duh! Why didn't I think of that?" came to mind.

No kidding. I wasn't really interested in a critical miss mechanism before, but now I'm tempted to stea...I mean, pay homage to that idea.

moriarty777 wrote: One idea, which was inspired by the extra attack for a crit is, if engaged, a critical miss provokes an attack from the opponent. I might have to actually experience it in play, but I rather like that idea. I think it plays up on the idea of an opening presenting itself in combat...

<t>Thanks, guys. <br/> <br/> I have a better idea on how to treat levels and SIEGE checks now. For criticals, the idea of an extra attack is interesting. I want it to be special when a natural 20 is rolled, but I remember from back in the day that double damage to a PC at first level can be pretty h...

<t>I'm wondering if there are other occasions when making a SIEGE check where the character's level is not added to the role. The rulebook appears to indicate that it's only when the check is covered by the class ability of another class. But I seem to recall reading forum thread someplace where it ...

Naturaltwenty: That screen looks awesome. Excellent work!

Traveller: The screen I downloaded must indeed be your handiwork. The charts are most excellent and I'll likely be using them when I get my C&C game started. Thanks for making them available P-)