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Metathiax wrote: p.111: Mantle of Spell Resistance; not sure but doesn't a SR of 21 (effectively meaning immunity in C&C) sound kind of overpowered? Well, to me, it sounds really powerful, but not overpowered unless you ask a wizard! Any class not casting spells couldn't care less about it. But...

That is one cool picture! I'd love to take a look at one of those coloring books. I bet there is some really cool usable art in there!

Treebore wrote:
Man! I must be fast and loose with the rules, I hadn't noticed most of the errata.

You and me both!

The Grey Elf wrote: I'm not kidding, though. You should really give some thought to stripping the IP out and publishing this as your own original game through the OGL. The title of this post meantions "heavily housefulled C&C". I guess it's so house ruled that it's become original. Th...

moriarty777 wrote:
But yes, the 'revised 2nd ed' did set some ground work for 3rd ed IMO.

One thing of particular note was the Non-weapon Proficiencies which evolved into the Skills and Feats of 3e.

<t>I've been inspired recently to look into some 1st Ed. AD&D rules to house rule into my C&C game and I noticed that I can't remember why I switched so quickly away to 3e. I remember I didn't switch to 2nd Ed. until the black cover books came out in 1995 and only because no one I knew playe...

Oh, I did initially go there but didn't initially find where the errata files were kept. Thanks!

I'm probably gonna feel like a dunce. Where is the updated errata located?

Wow, humans, halflings, etc. used to be called demi-humans in old-school D&D so the Ranger's humanoid list did not include them. Interesting question. I wouldn't think so though.

<t>I now understand that the creators of C&C came up with the xp amounts/level by assigning amounts to the aspects of the classes. That's cool! But does anyone know the rhyme or reason of the scores in AD&D? Gary could have made the progressions all the same, but for some reason he didn't, a...

Yes I see your point. Toughness does play a part though conditioning of the body like martial artists do.

Personally, I've been a fan of the Wound/Vitality system.

<t>For fun, here are the AD&D original stat requirements:<br/> <br/> Barbarian: 15 Str, 14 Dex, 15 Con, 16 max Wis<br/> <br/> Cleric: 9 Wis<br/> <br/> Druid: 12 Wis, 15 Cha<br/> <br/> Fighter: 9 Str<br/> <br/> Ranger: 13 Str, 14 Con, 13 Int, 14 Wis<br/> <br/> Bard: 15 Str, 15 Dex, 10 Con, 12 Int...

Emryys wrote:
I thought that's the look of a bunch of adventurers saying "You're not going into the dungeon with those scores, are you! 13"...

ROTFL!

phadeout wrote: Oh, and you forgot Barbarian, Monk and Bard btw. I actually was in a rush and threw out some numbers as I looked through my old 1e PHB and UA and tried to match them up with C&C stat bonuses. It was just an example anyway, done with not much though. I'll give more thought as I g...

<t>Some see hit points as how physically tough they are and thus how much damage one can take before being killed. I don't see it that way. I always looked at Hit Dice as a representative of combat training. The way I look at it, no matter the race, a stab to the heart kills all races the same. But ...

<t>If I did do it, and harked back to AD&D for it, how about this as a sample?<br/> <br/> Cleric: 11 Wis<br/> <br/> Druid: 11 Wis, 13 Cha<br/> <br/> Fighter: 11 Str, 9 Con<br/> <br/> Ranger: 11 Str, 13 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis<br/> <br/> Knight: 13 Str, 13 Dex, 13 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis<br/> <br/> Palad...

One thing 3e did away with was minimum ability scores for classes. I'm curious if anyone has reintroduced them into their C&C games.

Unfortunately, yes. Though I did use the internet to make sure I spelled some words correctly. BTW, wikipedia has all of it! Wikipedia is amazing! Who writes all that stuff? hehe

phadeout wrote: Lol, what did you discover Dang'it! Can't resist now....I found that the name paladin gets its origins from from an ancient roman special guard called the palatini who were trained in the Palatinae military school on the Palatine Hill. The famous Praetorian Guard came from this scho...

csperkins1970 wrote: PS: Looking it over just now I'm thinking I will get around to changing "knight" to cavalier REALLY soon. I say that if your idea for cavalier is the quintessential knight, then use knight as a description of the cavalier to draw the parallel in the eyes of the reader...

csperkins1970 wrote: My quasi-finished version is available HERE. Like you, I'd love to get feedback from my fellow C&Cers... even if it's ranting, frothing condemnation (so long as it's constructive, frothing condemnation). Great job! That's some major work you put in there. I loved seeing all...

serleran wrote: Monsters do not add HD to damage unless it says they add HD to damage. D'oh! Gideon had me convinced and I thought you and he were on the same page. You state what I initially thought. So now I'm back to HD equals bonus to damage as a house rule? Serl, so your fine with an ogre--an ...

<t>Actually, I'm only adding STR bonus to damage when a creature uses a weapon. I'm using natural attack damage as is. I figure the natural strength of the creature is figured in to the natural attack damage.<br/> <br/> So, when it says, "or by weapon", I'll pick a weapon and add the HD to damage bo...

I think I like that phadeout.

I'd like to look into such a system as well.

But, in the mean time, I just treat character's as heros starting at 7th level and their reputations grow from there.

<t>Ah yes, Bards too!<br/> <br/> Actually, I reread the Horsemanship description and noticed that the Knight's ability to fight from a mount without an attribute check seems to include both riding and war-trained mounts. The only difference seems to be that with war-trained mounts they can make an a...

<t>So, put simply, a knight doesn't need to make attribute checks when riding a war-trained mount and suffers no penalties to fight from that mount.<br/> <br/> Non-knights need to make attribute checks just to fight from the war-trained mount, and after sucessfully making the check, suffers the pena...

gideon_thorne wrote: No. An Ogre would be a +4 to hit, +4 to STR checks, and +4 to damage since since they are 4 HD critters. Page 8 PHB Attribute modifiers:"The amount of damage delivered to a foe is likewise affected by the attribute modifier" Just bring that over to work the same way t...

<t>The information on mounted combat is a bit lacking in the PHB. But I want to know if I've surmised it correctly.<br/> <br/> Anyone can fight from a warhorse but, except for the Knight, must make a Dex attribute check to make a melee attack, ranged attack, or cast a spell. Only a Knight can also f...

<t>Oh, okay, for checks I see it and have done it that way. But what about damage? Nothing is mentioned about a bonus to damage, or is there?<br/> <br/> If I were to lets say, give a +3 damage to an ogre, that would mean a +3 to strength checks as well, giving a total of +7 because of the HD. And al...