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Opinions vary, some are like, just loosen the tensioner and do it yourself in 10 minutes... I'm not that cavalier since I'm not a mechanic. I'm comfortable changing the air filter and could do oil change, but since the serp belt is Important, I'm reluctant to mess with it myself.

That said, what's reasonable, like, 1/2 hr labor? I know the shop has to do like, some profit, and most have a minimum time, but is 1/2 hour (+ oil change, check battery, test coolant pH and make sure it's winter-safe) I'm thinking parts ($40-$50) + maybe 1/2 hour is reasonable?

Yes? No?
I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about but I want to make sure the mechanic doesn't realize that. :D

After my previous brakes fiasco, I'm trying a new shop.

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In short I have no idea. Why? Because there are so many engines with so many configurations you'd have to see to tell. ( Then of course if I was there I could change it for you and do the oil change all for the low, low cost of a beer. :D )

Some belts are so buried it takes quite some time to change them due to having to remove some parts to get to them. Some even need the engine "lifted" (Not all the way out.) to get to. Some are just there and are easy to access. Most modern vehicles bury the belts to help in making the engine more compact. So yeah it could be a half an hour but it could be 2 hours.

Considering that most oil changes cost around $30 by itself, be prepared for over *$100 easily. All that other stuff is usually free but free to tell you you need more stuff.


* This is based on Canadian estimates at Canadian garages/oil change specialty shops.
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Fair answer, that's agood point, how differne tthiest thigns can be.
For you, two beers. :D

This is a belt I can see. I've run a cloth over it as it moves to see if the cloth is oily, and it isn't. (this is to see if it's squeeking because it's 'accidetnallay" lubribcated. but getting to the bottom pulleys... good question, i'll have to look at the thing and see how much I don't get it.
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Damn. You got me. I thought this was a discussion about a new magic item. lol
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Go0gleplex wrote:Damn. You got me. I thought this was a discussion about a new magic item. lol
+4 to Dex -15 Cha, Must be charged in sunlight for at least 8 hours before being used or else Dex bonus will not apply, the Cha modifier always applies when wearing this.

It's a smooth belt, dark brown in color with a diamond scale pattern. The "buckle" is a snakes head complete with eyes that look at whatever the wearer is looking at.
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There is a "tension arm", all you have to do is releases it, pull the old belt off, put the new one on. There should even be a diagram inside your engine compartment showing how the belt goes around all the pully's. Then tighten in back up, and your good to go. The question is indeed what have they put in the way of that tension arm that you have to remove before your even able to loosen it. Rest assured, they do it intentionally. The "industry" makes far more money off of you if you cannot do it in your driveway, garage, or back yard. Even the mechanics hate it, but they are lucky if they are making $15/hour doing the work, its the shop owner getting the most out of it. Unless they are part of a chain, then they get a small percentage of it too, and Corporate gets most of it.
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Kephrin wrote:
Go0gleplex wrote:Damn. You got me. I thought this was a discussion about a new magic item. lol
+4 to Dex -15 Cha, Must be charged in sunlight for at least 8 hours before being used or else Dex bonus will not apply, the Cha modifier always applies when wearing this.

It's a smooth belt, dark brown in color with a diamond scale pattern. The "buckle" is a snakes head complete with eyes that look at whatever the wearer is looking at.

I like that!
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Treebore wrote:There is a "tension arm", all you have to do is releases it, pull the old belt off, put the new one on. There should even be a diagram inside your engine compartment showing how the belt goes around all the pully's. Then tighten in back up, and your good to go. The question is indeed what have they put in the way of that tension arm that you have to remove before your even able to loosen it. Rest assured, they do it intentionally. The "industry" makes far more money off of you if you cannot do it in your driveway, garage, or back yard. Even the mechanics hate it, but they are lucky if they are making $15/hour doing the work, its the shop owner getting the most out of it. Unless they are part of a chain, then they get a small percentage of it too, and Corporate gets most of it.
Not a bad answer except I have never worked on a serpentine belt where you can release the pulley. Not saying there isn't, I've just never come across one. What there is is a spring loaded pulley. This is usually at the top of the engine. Make no mistake this pulley is very hard to pull it enough to take the belt on and off. If you can see it you might want to change it yourself. Pry the spring pulley with a crow bar (That has never failed me) and remove the belt starting with moving it off the spring pulley. Then put on the new belt in the opposite way. You might even get someone to help you move the spring pulley. Make sure that when your pulling the pulley that the crow bar or whatever you use does not interfere with anything surrounding it. You might cause more damage that is unnecessary.

Before you change the belt try these two things. The first may seem counter-intuitive, but grab a hold of the belt (where it is easy to reach, and with the car off) and pull on the belt as hard as you can for about two seconds. If it still squeaks they have a "No more squeak" can of fluid you should be able to buy at a automotive shop (You won't find one at the mechanics, probably shoot for something like Wal-mart, Mo-par or whatever you have there.) I'm not high on these fix-it-in-a-can type products but this one works pretty good. If it continues to squeak then resort to a mechanic.

Again, you can use a generic belt rather than a factory belt. They are usually close in function. They sell factory belts so they can jack-up the price because the average person feels that a factory part is more "safe" than generic parts.

You can also check your belt. Look at the underside, of the belt. If it is still fairly smooth then the belt is just slipping and the two above options should be good. If it is cracked then it needs to be replaced.

A good book to have, about your car and how to fix it is the Haynes book. Fairly cheap and has loads of information. This gives you an idea of how something is fixed, if you can do it yourself or at the very least you are somewhat armed with knowledge when going to a mechanic. Like Treebore said, do not try to change the belt without some kind of schematic showing the proper way.

You should really learn how to change your own oil/filter. It is the easiest thing to do with the hardest part being jacking up your vehicle to get to the plug. If you want step-by-step of the procedure just ask.

I could go on about how the industry is lying to people about when you should change your oil. It has nothing to do with the seasons and all about how much your travel. But, even I don't bother to keep track. Instead I change the oil only twice a year (Beginning of spring and the beginning of fall.) This is way over-kill for me and I mostly do it to change the viscosity of the oil. Doing it yourself means you can change the oil using synthetic oil. (Yes it is much better than normal oil) which means you can change your oil and the synthetic will be cheaper other than getting an oil change with regular oil. Though regular oil is more than enough if you change it twice a year, and you'll have no need to go with fancy oils.
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I could go ask my wife, as she is a mechanic, but she's basically agreed that "it depends."

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I've changed serpentine belts on my own, using a Chilton's, twice.
Since its 20,000 I suggest "Captain Nemo" as his title. Beyond the obvious connection, he is one who sails on his own terms and ignores those he doesn't agree with...confident in his journey and goals.
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Treebore wrote: I've changed serpentine belts on my own, using a Chilton's, twice.

Me too, and a lot more than twice. It isn't hard if you have the right tool to release the tension to take the belt off/on, and a good manual. That said, I have changed them only on big cars, Jeeps, & trucks.

If it's a small/fron wheel drive car, they are beyond my paitance level. So, i'd more than willingly pay a mechanic to do it!

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Damn. You got me. I thought this was a discussion about a new magic item. lol




+4 to Dex -15 Cha, Must be charged in sunlight for at least 8 hours before being used or else Dex bonus will not apply, the Cha modifier always applies when wearing this.

It's a smooth belt, dark brown in color with a diamond scale pattern. The "buckle" is a snakes head complete with eyes that look at whatever the wearer is looking at.
Me too, at first I thought cool a new magic item ...
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There are three known variations on the serpentine belt but, physically, there is no distinction as all appear as a traditional belt, garter, or halter made of a fine snakeskin, treated to be preserved in full color. Some are made from pythons, others from vipers, and still a few from the garden variety of snake, but any effect can be produced by any of these so it is not sufficient to assume ability from source; doing so has often brought one to unexpected peril. Two of the three types are considered beneficial: 1) one grants its wearer the ability to speak with snakes and to, once per day, transform a staff into a snake to be controlled for up to 6 rounds before returning to staff form; the snake the staff becomes can be of any type of snake, but has 6 HD. 2) the wearer is immune to the venom (but not poisons, which are manufactured) of animals, beasts, and magical beasts and gains a +3 adjustment when resisting constriction of any sort. The last version of serpentine belt is a cursed item -- wearing it causes the unfortunate to be immediately crushed, as if attacked by a large constrictor snake (12 HD), resulting in death within 3 rounds if not somehow forcibly removed.

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