Paizo no longer publishing Dragon or Dungeon mags

angelius · Post by **angelius** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:01 pm

Col_Pladoh wrote:
TLG and a handful of others as wekk
BTW, I have a T-shirt with that dwarf commenting on how he disposed of his reward...

Cheers,

Gary

I'm planning on getting that same t-shirt! In the mean time, I'm thinking of making a "No-d20" campaign t-shirt. Ghostbusters symbol but d20 instead of the ghost. I've actually been planning that for a long time.

Thing is that I've noticed that almost all my latest purchases either from ebay or from used game stores are from the 80's and early 90's. I have almost nothing from WOTC save the miniatures which are great tools for a DM.

I don't know what it is about RPGs in the 80's and early 90's that just draws you in. Maybe its the art or the fact that games were made without fear of the dreaded "PC-ness". They were raw and in your face.

Nowadays it seems that most games give RPGs a "too polished" look and feels like a cartoon. Like publishers aren't taking the genre seriously anymore.

Or maybe it can simply be summed up as a Vinyl versus DVD thing! There's just something about vinyl that you can't get on the new fangled stuff.
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angelius · Post by **angelius** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:05 pm

ps. On a totally side note...

I was just thinking with my best friend yesterday that sometimes lifes too short too muck around in the corporate world and not doing something you love or leaving a legacy. We both have recently had the unfortunate events of our uncles and grandparents passing away. Making us feel like life is so fleeting and the need to leave a legacy grows in our blood.

Sure some may scoff at the legacy gaming peeps leave. But nonetheless people like Gary G., certainly have impacted the lives of thousands if not millions of people. I'm not sure that one could acheive that level of "legacy leaving" in the corporate world.

So if anyone needs a business developer for a start up RPG publishing company give me a holler! Otherwise I will just rot away in the great rat race...when I rather be working for a RPG company at half the pay.
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Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:10 pm

rabindranath72 wrote:
Well, LA boxed set is exactly next my C&C and CZ books

I have yet to try playing it (LA), but my boxed set is on my gaming shelf, as well. I figure when my son gets a little older, we'll play it. For now, I'm happy with playing C&C what little I can (two sessions so far with the big group and one small session back on St. Patty's Day).
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:26 pm

I can't claim my LA stuff is right next to my C&C stuff, since there's too much D&D in the way. Heh. However, right on top of my C&C box set is the Arduin Grimoire box set, and right next to that is the woodgrain D&D box set...

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:39 pm

serleran wrote:
I can't claim my LA stuff is right next to my C&C stuff, since there's too much D&D in the way. Heh. However, right on top of my C&C box set is the Arduin Grimoire box set, and right next to that is the woodgrain D&D box set...

Would you be willing to send me a scan of the Arduin mutation tables? I don't remember what book it was even in because we were using another DM's Arduin books at the time.

I would just like to see them again and see if I would want to run another game using them.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:06 pm

I can try. Been a while, but I'll see if I can find what you're asking about... I do recall there being "special abilities" you can roll at random, but that's not quite the same as mutations, which aren't in the first book (that I remember; the SA's are, though.) I only have the first three Grimoires (I think there are nine total in the whole set) so if I don't have it, I can't send it. Technically, Arduin didn't become its own game until the 4th book (Arduin Adventure, or somesuch) so I was only interested in the "universal" stuff, though I also have the re-released two volume "Compleat Arduin" set, which didn't have "mutations" either, that I recall (they had the same tables as the other thing I mentioned.)

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:21 pm

I'm pretty sure it was in the first 3, but he may have had more. This was back in 1985 and 1986, so my memory is definitely very hazy about it.

I remember mutations like claws, a tail, cat like eyes with night type vision, and others. Hope that helps you determine if you have the table(s) that were used way back when.

Col_Pladoh · Post by **Col_Pladoh** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:08 pm

Ah...

The wonders of the renowned Vacuous Grimoire
Gary

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:47 pm

I agree with many of the comments thus far. As for 3rd, and 3.5, I played them off and on, and found some enjoyment. And, that's coming from a person who played some 1st and 2nd edition since 1982 or 83. That said, it seems 3/3.5 gets crushed under its own weight with the various splat books, etc. As for the settings, I thought Eberron was quite good. And, it's been nice seeing a number of new adventure releases. Anyway, I don't know the numbers, but I can't imagine Dungeon or Dragon not being on the shelves. I've gotten behind on the issues for a year or two, but found Dungeon useful. Oh well. I've actually been playing more Savage Worlds(by Shane "Deadlands" Hensley) than anything. The only fantasy I've played recently was some C&C on the con circuit. On a C&C related note...Gary, I haven't had a chance to use my Castle Zagyg book yet, but was pleased with the wealth of info. It's nice to see you here, and will be great seeing you at Gencon. I've had the pleasure of meeting some of your other TLG's cohorts(Stephen, Davis, Todd G., P. Bradley) and they're truly wonderful people. Haven't checked out LA yet, but am giving it some thought. Tylermo

Col_Pladoh · Post by **Col_Pladoh** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:45 pm

Hi Tylermo,

Thanks for the kind words. Be sure and stop by and see me at GenCon. Likely I'll be at the Trolls booth whenever I am not speaking on some panel or autographing at another booth.

As for the La game, download the Quickstart Rules from the Trolls' homepage. that way you can see if it is to your likeing without spending any money
Cheerio,

Gary

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:12 am

I'll be sure to look at the quick start rules. And, Todd Gray recently told me that you'd probably be at the booth. Definately looking forward to meeting you in person. Can't wait to read your next installment in the Crusader. Also hoping the next Zagyg supplement will be available at the con. Thanks for getting back to me.

Col_Pladoh · Post by **Col_Pladoh** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:33 pm

tylermo wrote:
I'll be sure to look at the quick start rules. And, Todd Gray recently told me that you'd probably be at the booth. Definately looking forward to meeting you in person. Can't wait to read your next installment in the Crusader. Also hoping the next Zagyg supplement will be available at the con. Thanks for getting back to me.

Todd should have said that Gary will be at the Trolls' booth most of the time, as it is home base for Trigee when I am not busy elsewhere. I will be at the Piazo booth autographing, and likely at Inner City Games doing the same for a bit. Besides that, I have perhaos two or three seminars/panels to participate in. The remainder of the time I am at the con will mainly be at TLG's exhibit.

Much hard work is now in progress to get the first module of the Zagyg's Castle & Dungeons ready for release at GenCon, but I can not promise we'll make the deadline.

Cheers,

Gary

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:25 pm

Col_Pladoh wrote:
TLG and a handful of others as wekk
Cheers,

Gary

I see TLG, Necro, Goodman and of course Trigee as the ones that will continue the hobby.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:30 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
I see TLG, Necro, Goodman and of course Trigee as the ones that will continue the hobby.

*chuckles* And should the purported 4th ed go electronic and 3.5 no longer supported, you might actually see Goodman and Necro look toward C&C more.

And I have no real evidence or information turning this into anything but idle speculation, but it would make a certain amount of good business sense.

I spose its up to the 'fans' to make enough noise that this becomes a viable business reality. ^_^
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:44 pm

Necro? Doubtful. They just threw in with Paizo, and I don't think Paizo has much love for C&C... but I dunno. Bill at NG seems to like it mucho, but I don't know about Clark. And, have absolutely no idea about Erik Mona.

I wouldn't mind being wrong, though.

Col_Pladoh · Post by **Col_Pladoh** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:34 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
I see TLG, Necro, Goodman and of course Trigee as the ones that will continue the hobby.

I hear that Necromancer is hanging up the gloves.

Trigee is a creative house only, but I must say that we have a whole lof of designers that have done projects for us and are doing so now. There were about 15 designers working on the Yggsburgh Town Details Project (and coordinating the lot was not as difficult a task as one might suppose, for they had the book to work from and much detailed "bible" material from me as well). right now there are only about six or seven designer/authors working alone or with me on various projects from Trigee.

Cheers,

Gary

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:56 pm

Col_Pladoh wrote:
I hear that Necromancer is hanging up the gloves.

Necromancer just hooked up with Paizo to produce a few projects, and they are involved with Kenzer on a few more. They have a good years worth of releases still exant. ^_^
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Lhorgrim · Post by **Lhorgrim** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:22 pm

I'm very glad to hear that Necromancer Games has found a way to continue to provide gaming products. I have enjoyed several of their adventures, and am considering converting Tomb of Abysthor for a C&C campaign.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:08 pm

serleran wrote:
Necro? Doubtful. They just threw in with Paizo, and I don't think Paizo has much love for C&C... but I dunno. Bill at NG seems to like it mucho, but I don't know about Clark. And, have absolutely no idea about Erik Mona.

I wouldn't mind being wrong, though.

I'm hoping that Paizo lets them continue to do what they want and just be the publishing guys. I hope that's the case.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:13 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
I'm hoping that Paizo lets them continue to do what they want and just be the publishing guys. I hope that's the case.

I don't think they would have joined with Paizo if they couldn't do what they want.