Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:16 am

OK, so some of these posts on books and such, remind about this one. So my question is, will Harry be killed?? JK has indicated one (or two) deaths.

I'm thinking that, while it would be interesting and dramatic to kill Harry, a la Sherlock Holmes*, it just wouldn't be the right thing to do.

In fact, it would be suicidal, IMO. After all Harry has been through, we need to see justice and good prevail and needless to say, she could write tons of material after Harry leaves Hogwarts.

And having said that, wouldn't it be good for fans and JK to maybe continue some years going forward. Yeah, she might be burned out or in need of some "away from Harry" time. But then she could come back at anytime in the future and create a HP adventure (after Hogwart's, but easily still related to it and all the other magical realms of that world).

Your thoughts??

[*Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed Sherlock, but fans were so incensed, that he resurrected him and wrote many more stories]
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:20 am

Nah, I don't think HP will die. I think He-Who-shall-Not-be-Named will die for sure, as well as one other big character. The death of this character will be a necessary evil to the war with the Big-V, but Harry will come out wiser, and the most powerful wizard of all time. The story will end on a positive, with Harry becoming the youngest headmaster of Hogwarts.... maybe.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:25 am

JKR has always maintained that book 7 is her last in the series. What that means for the character is still a mystery.

I still hold to my theory that Harry is the final Horcrux so how that will resolve itself will be tricky.
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:41 am

Oh yeah, here's a question: Is Dumbledore really dead? I'm thinkin' hoax or some other plot device to flush out Voltemort and redeem Malfoy. Perhaps Snape will emerge as a hero (despite Harry's dad and the others who picked on hims). Lots of possibilities . . .
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dcs · Post by **dcs** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:06 am

Harry is Voldemort. After Harry grew up, he decided to travel back in time to make a number of very strange suicide attempts, figuring that if he survived his attacks on himself, he would become stronger.

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torren · Post by **torren** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:19 am

I think that since Vald and harry's fates are intertwined, so if V is to die so will harry. A self sacrifice thing to kill V. My thoughts anyways.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:27 am

Rhuvein wrote:
Oh yeah, here's a question: Is Dumbledore really dead?

Yup. JKR confirmed it in a number of interviews.
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angelius · Post by **angelius** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:01 pm

I'll play the anti-HP guy on the board. I can never get through reading any of those books. I hope HP dies and ends this series forever. Then maybe I can get some peace and quiet in the house.
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Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:22 pm

dcs wrote:
Harry is Voldemort. After Harry grew up, he decided to travel back in time to make a number of very strange suicide attempts, figuring that if he survived his attacks on himself, he would become stronger.

You read it here first.

Cool theory. After all Voldemort does mean "Full of Death."

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:25 pm

You are not alone. The stories smack of a forced genetic experiment to blend Enid Blyton and Roald Dahl. However, the only issue was a ruined mockery of a creature that encompassed the worst aspects of both rather than the best.

And then it escaped.
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dcs · Post by **dcs** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:13 pm

torren wrote:
I think that since Vald and harry's fates are intertwined, so if V is to die so will harry. A self sacrifice thing to kill V. My thoughts anyways.

It's like The Matrix!!
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:29 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Yup. JKR confirmed it in a number of interviews.

Really? Very interesting. That whole scene as I recall - smacked of something . . not quite right. More than surreal, more like a planned death. I'm going to have to go back and reread that.

Let's review -

HP is going to be a great and powerful wizard, but needed Dumbledore and others to help him from time to time.

Voltemort is great and powerful, but Harry can beat him sometimes, but mostly with Albus' help.

Snape is a sniveling, mean and vindictive wizard, but probably not in the same category as the other three (I'm still thinking he will end up being redeemed or a good guy in disguise and that's another reason I'm suspicious of this whole death thing. And we know how much Dumbledore trusted and helped Severus, when everyone else is suspicious of him.).

Dumbledore is the greatest and most powerful of all and is killed by Snape??? Hmm, I don't think so. Very suspicious still.

Hmm, perhaps a resurrection or something then is planned.

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Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:39 pm

I believe someone used Polyjuice Potion to make it appear that Snape killed Dumbledore.
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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:54 pm

Then someone would still be killed. We have seen little illusion spells in the harry potter books, betting on one of those is actually not a bad idea.
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:50 am

Man, I'm really hooked on this series. I surprised myself on how much I like them . . or maybe JK Rowling surprised herself and the world at how well these books are written.

And so, very many possibilities for this - so called "last" Harry Potter book. [Say it ain't so JK!]

Hmm, I may just have to pre-order and have it overnighted as my daughter and I did for the fourth book. Gotta have it . .
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:14 am

There are some nifty little magic items mentioned here and there in the corners too.

I think it would be seriously mean to hit a mage with a cursed spell book that they could never stop reading. For example.
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Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:48 pm

My wife was telling me that there are sites that discuss the books and she visited one to get opinions on things. One theory is that the house that Dumbledore and HP visit (Book 5? Maybe 6? Stupid brain cannot remember) with the smashed items are premonitions of future deaths. The grandfather clock represents Dumbledore whereas the keys represent Hagrid (one of the victims in Book 7?). Others have said that Mr. Weasley bites it in Book 7, too.

I can't wait for its release!
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Keolander · Post by **Keolander** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:53 pm

angelius wrote:
I'll play the anti-HP guy on the board. I can never get through reading any of those books. I hope HP dies and ends this series forever. Then maybe I can get some peace and quiet in the house.

Heh, I'm with ya there angelius. Sorry, but I just cannot get into Harry Potter. I tried watching the movies and found myself very bored.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:55 pm

I'm not into HP either, but I have the movies (fiancee likes the stuff) and they're not totally horrible, but I don't find myself wanting to watch them again. I hope HP gets the axe, though. That would be sufficient to make me care.

Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:07 pm

I do not really like the movies, they lack details i enjoy reading in the book, it is a surprise to me that it is such a success though, it has little new to it, and is not the best book I have ever read either.

But it is well written and entertaining, I just don't get all fanatic on it. All in all it is a good story well told, I have read good stories before and I have seen good ways to tell stories, but it is not very common to have both in the same book.

But then, I never actually saw why people were so bothered with the Da Vinci Code, it was interesting, but from the same author i liked Angels and Demons better.
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