Sticking with the anti-d20 theme today, I take a quote from gamespy I came across:
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GameSpy: Have you had a chance to play or even look at some of the current Dungeons & Dragons games?
Gygax: I've looked at them, yes, but I'm not really a fan. The new D&D is too rule intensive. It's relegated the Dungeon Master to being an entertainer rather than master of the game. It's done away with the archetypes, focused on nothing but combat and character power, lost the group cooperative aspect, bastardized the class-based system, and resembles a comic-book superheroes game more than a fantasy RPG where a player can play any alignment desired, not just lawful good.
Now, should I tell you what I really think?
You go G-man.
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I think he was spot on,, no comments.
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*smiles* You lot should go look at his latest comments on Enworld. ^_~`
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Link Mr Pete!
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Only thread I go to on Enworld. Its entertaining.
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YES! I knew serl was once again playing devil's advocate...
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"We cannot live only for ourselves. A thousand fibers connect us with our fellow men; and among those fibers, as sympathetic threads, our actions run as causes, and they come back to us as effects." - Attributed to Herman Melville.
Who, me? Nope... just saying I have a sneaking suspicion of what Gary said, seeing as its rarely anything about d20, and when questioned about it, he has the tendency to deflect to C&C and LA. I was half expecting to see something on Dungeon and Dragon, but I think he's said all he's gonna say on that.
If you really wish to spread the word and contribute to the prosperity of this fledgling system -- as well as the small operation that has provided us with it, ENWorld is the ripe place to do so. Go to their message boards and go to the 'general' category. More and more folks are coming out of the woodwork and saying, "You know, I'm really curious about this C&C thing. Can you tell me about it?"
Of course you have to deal with the naysayers that will rear their heads from time to time, but if you stay simple and objective, stating why you like it, the Crusade will indeed spread. I scarcely post there myself, I will admit, but I felt motivated to make a post today in support of C&C, and did so.
I would, however, caution one thing: try not to bash 3e or be overzealous. I really don't think it is productive to tell someone they've been playing a stupid game for 7 years no matter how diplomatically you try to put it; that won't turn them onto C&C, rather it will push them away. One Crusader at a time, especially now with WotC turning off so many of its fans with recent actions. Now is the time to strike!
I can't help it, I'm fanatical over my presumption that d20 has over time destroyed the fabric of creativity in the RPG industry.
The problem is that I find that we're fighting an uphill battle. We have a new generation built on computer games and the concept of leveling and getting more powerful. This is what 3ed caters to.
Until we get a computer game that is ripe with RPGing and character development, we'll never be able to win this battle. Something like that needs to come out and crack the cookie cutter CRPGs out in the market.
If I could program worth a damn, I would give it a try. Alas, my skills reside only in story development.
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angelius wrote:
I can't help it, I'm fanatical over my presumption that d20 has over time destroyed the fabric of creativity in the RPG industry.
People respond to positives better, in the long run, than to negatives.
Its really isnt that hard to talk ones own thing up without talking someone elses down. ^_^
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I agree Gideon. It's better to use the positives of SIEGE than the negatives of D20. Faster combat is a major draw in my experiece.
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angelius wrote:
Until we get a computer game that is ripe with RPGing and character development, we'll never be able to win this battle. Something like that needs to come out and crack the cookie cutter CRPGs out in the market.
Even though it's based on the dreaded 3e ruleset, I have found the computer game "Neverwinter Nights" to be hands-down the ultimate roleplaying experience on the computer. You can create and DM your own online adventures for others to play in, you can create your own persistent worlds for the gaming public to enjoy. There is literally a metric TON of excellent custom content on the internet to download and enjoy. There are no monthly fees. All you have to do is buy the software, and you're good to go. I have not had the opportunity (or the cash!) to try Neverwinter Nights 2, but I can assume it is decidedly badass.
I have seen bits of NWN2 and it seems a lot more like how KOTOR than how NWNW was, this means choices in dialogues that make a difference in the game, I cannot confirm because I haven't played it myself, just seen a bit of it with a friend playing.
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I don't see computer games as the way to go. Yes one would be neat as a side product but too much flirtation with the media seems to lead to WOTC's new business path.
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Julian Grimm wrote:
I agree Gideon. It's better to use the positives of SIEGE than the negatives of D20. Faster combat is a major draw in my experiece.
*chuckles* Even if you have to say, "It's the best $40 you'll spend on fun outside of a strip joint" its still positive.
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I did enjoy NWN and NWN2, played both co-op with my sister. But it was still very much a level up and get more powerful kind of game.
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Fable attempted it, but fell very short in actually most departments.
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I tried NWN, but didn't like the engine used for making your own stuff, mostly cause I didn't have a tutorial, which would have helped considerably. Haven't looked into NWN2, but that's due to not having the vid card I want, or rather, used to have.
serleran wrote:
I tried NWN, but didn't like the engine used for making your own stuff, mostly cause I didn't have a tutorial, which would have helped considerably. Haven't looked into NWN2, but that's due to not having the vid card I want, or rather, used to have.
And this reminds me of another thread where we discussed trying this game online. I now have a video card that will run NWN, so if anyone is game to try it, I'll buy the game!
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"Enjoy a 'world' where the fantastic is fact and magic really works!" ~ Gary Gygax
"By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes:" - Macbeth
serleran wrote:
I tried NWN, but didn't like the engine used for making your own stuff, mostly cause I didn't have a tutorial, which would have helped considerably. Haven't looked into NWN2, but that's due to not having the vid card I want, or rather, used to have.
You're speaking of the DM guidebook which is sold with the game. I learnt everything I needed from that book. Scripting, mapping etc.
However, as proficient as I did get with the NWN engine the process was extremely long and frankly no matter how well a game is made it will never be as good as a PnP game.
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