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And here I thought this thread was about why we love or hate eberron? I stated the multiple reasons I do not like eberron and was called out on my usage of robot when describing warforged, a usage that fits the classic definition. I have read eberron and I completely feel it is the worst jumble of non-sense ever written. see, unlike you post mine actually has something to do with the topic of the thread.

I think you need to read other posts around here first. While we may not like something we keep it civil, non-combative and non-personal. IMNSHO you are edgeing on trying to start a flamewar, and that doesn't fly here.
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And here I thought this thread was about why we love or hate eberron? I stated the multiple reasons I do not like eberron and was called out on my usage of robot when describing warforged, a usage that fits the classic definition. I have read eberron and I completely feel it is the worst jumble of non-sense ever written. see, unlike you post mine actually has something to do with the topic of the thread.



Yes and I use Greyhawk.

I find that C&C has sped up every aspect of gameplay and especially combat to the point that the story once again takes front seat to the rules.. and I like that. I can see where people who desire less cumbersome rules playing any campaign would prefer C&C for its ease of play and fast pace but trying to pretend eberron invented fast paced pulp action for the D&D game is not only untrue it is a corporate contrivance. Remember there was a conan setting for AD&D and conan is classified as pulp.

As for the whole "pulp" thing I admit I dont get it.. Conan is considered pulp but I have always felt it was heroic fantasy. I looked up "pulp" online and read that it had to do with the low quality paper that early fantasy/adventure stories were written on and not so much the actual content of the novel.



Seems funny to justify eberron by pointing to a module about one spaceship crashed on an isolated mountain top. I suppose we should have talking humpty dumptys and what not running about our fantasy worlds as well as there was a module with them in it.

Dangerdwarf If you must post responses to me try to be original. Being a yesman is kinda sad.

And to all, sorry if you have become offended by my hate posts concerning eberron in the "eberron love it or hate it" thread. I am sure that seeing people post that they hate a setting in a thread devoted to why you love or hate a setting was traumatic. my bad.

The point is, irregardless of whether we are posting positive or negative, no one around here is rude. You are being rude.

So if saying things without calling people names is beyond your abilities then don't post.

We like to be able to think of each other as friends around here. Rude and confrontational posts are not friendly.

Your opinion isfine, its when you start arguing with people, in a rude and confrontational manner, because their opinion is different than yours is when you go wrong.

So all we are simply saying is knock off the name calling and the "my opinion is the only correct opinion" attitude your coming across with then we will all get along fine.

If being friendly is something your not willing to do then your not welcome at these boards. Simple as that. Being friendly equals being a welcome board member. Being rude and confrontational equals being an unwanted board member.

So police yourself and be friendly, or do us all a favor and take your hostile tones to other boards.

We are not here to bash you, and we don't want this board to become like so many other boards that become hostile because you don't have "the right opinion". If you hang out at the WOTC boards, or RPGnet, or ENWorld, et al, I am sure you have seen the kind of hostility I am talking about.

There are a number of us who have played 3E. I am one of them. There are things I like about 3E. There are a lot of things I don't like about 3E. Which is why I am here. C&C gives me the type of game I like to play. 3E doesn't.

But we don't bash or hate 3E on this board. ITs another way of playing the game we all love.

Same thing with Eberron. Some like it, some hate it, some of us (like me) could care less about Eberron either way.

Simple as that. No reason to get bent out of shape about it, or what is or is not a robot.

Both "sides" have made good points about what is and isn't a robot, etc... It was a good exchange, with the exception of taking it "personal". Take out the "personal" parts and it is an excellent exchange of opinion and facts.

There is one thing to remember about opinons. They are not identical for everyone. So we accept that and go on instead of getting bent out of shape.

Hopefully your capable of doing that to and being a welcome board member. Hopefully everyone who got personal can make their aplogies, put it behind them, and go forward as friendly and accepting board members.

That is what we want around here, and have succeeded at maintaining for over a year now.

Some may interpret that as "old school" attitude, but if they do they are missing the point. We are all welcome to our own opinions/tastes/preferences, just don't expect everyone else to like them, and simply accept that.

Lets share our opinions and ideas, but not our hostile natures.
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concobar wrote:
And to all, sorry if you have become offended by my hate posts concerning eberron in the "eberron love it or hate it" thread. I am sure that seeing people post that they hate a setting in a thread devoted to why you love or hate a setting was traumatic. my bad.

If you weren't so prolific, vehement and nasty about it, I'm sure people would have had a different reaction. I certainly would have. Instead, you come off very "one true way"-ish - something I would not have expected on these boards.

Personally, Eberron has never grabbed me. Warforged are in interesting concept, but in all, it seemed jumbled together in a "how can we fit every possible thing into a single game world" kind of way. And I tend to lean away from "magic is everywhere" kind of game worlds, too (I'm also not grabbed by the Forgotten Realms).

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I think it odd that no one felt the need to jump in when i was called ignorant for using the word robot in describing warforged. I find the completely one sided way blame is being directed pretty telling of exactly what is going on. You claim I am being confrontation when It was not I that started the debate and not I that is getting personal, on that account you are more at fault than I.

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concobar wrote:
Dangerdwarf If you must post responses to me try to be original. Being a yesman is kinda sad.

Wow. What a refreshingly shitty attitude.

1. The response wasn't to you, it was to another poster.

2. Its called jest. joking. Goofing around.

3. wtf dude.

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Ok, everyone needs to take a powder for a couple days on this thread. Personally I dont care who's faut it is, everyone knock it off. ^_~`

I'm not interested in justice, I am interested in civility.
Its a fictional campaign setting. Some folks like it, some don't. Going into hysterics over minutae is pointless.
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I'm not saying that person is not at fault. But your reaction to it is very overdone. You've also made rude comments to at least one member of these boards that has been here alomost as long as C&C has. You are definately not building credibility here.

I'll be more blunt than Treebore and I hope the many here will know it's my hillbilly nature coming out when I say:

"If you can't play nice, there's the door."
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Sorry Pete, posted before I saw your post.
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Julian Grimm wrote:
I'm not saying that person is not at fault. But your reaction to it is very overdone. You've also made rude comments to at least one member of these boards that has been here alomost as long as C&C has. You are definately not building credibility here.

I'll be more blunt than Treebore and I hope the many here will know it's my hillbilly nature coming out when I say:

"If you can't play nice, there's the door."

Was my last post in chinese?
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gideon_thorne wrote:
Was my last post in chinese?

See post just above yours.
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Wow! Pete knows chinese?

Sweet!

BTW. Sorry.

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I agree that this thread did go downhill pretty quick and that I probably should have let it go a few pages back. That said I will say that should someone call me out directly on something I will respond and if challenged to defend a opinion I feel is correct I will do so. I also feel that regardless of another persons post count I will call thier behavior as I see it.

Having been told to leave a few times already I think I may do just that.

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Call me a prejudicial bigot or whatever the proper term is but since its WoTC's baby right now. I automatically and irrationally hate it. LOL
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Prince of Happiness wrote:
No sci fi in my fantasy! I like my games old school...just. Like. Expedition to the Barrier Peaks.

I do know what you mean. For instance, I loathe, despise and abominate fantasy in my SF; the end of Deep Space 9 made me reach for the sick bags barely in time. Sadly, EBP has the same effect; I didn't like it much in Black Trillium, either.

Still, I do like unusual fantasy, and that includes created beings. I think you do have to consider the implications of introducing powerful, fantastic creatures into a world before you decide to do it, though. For instance, I severely restrict flight in my fantasy games, and flying mounts are hard to come by, in the "once long ago a famous wizard-king rode a captive manticore" sort of range. Why do this? Because if you've got flying brachiosaurs (like 3E's green dragons), then just what advantage is there in being a bird? The tradeoffs and sacrifices necessary in developing flight become unnecessary when anything with a pair of magical wings can do the same thing.

If you can have flying elephants, then a flying wolverine can outcompete pretty much any large prey bird. A flying weasel would put hawks and kestrels out of business easily.

Same with warforged, golems, and other created beings. If they have distinct advantages they will eventually outcompete more natural lifeforms, so it's a good idea to keep an eye on their progress.

OK, I suppose I should actually make a properly on-topic comment, too. I know too little about Eberron to have a strong feeling about it either way, but I generally prefer a lower technological level when I run fantasy. Magic puts a lot of power into the hands of very few people. They tend to be the kind of people who want to keep things that way. Technology spreads the power around a bit, starts levelling things off. Allows the peasants to get idfeas like equality, liberty and all that enlightenment goodness. I can't see the ruling magical classes allowing that if they don't have to.

Maybe that's why they dabble in undead, golems and the like.

Hang on, I'm getting an idea...
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concobar wrote:
I agree that this thread did go downhill pretty quick and that I probably should have let it go a few pages back. That said I will say that should someone call me out directly on something I will respond and if challenged to defend a opinion I feel is correct I will do so. I also feel that regardless of another persons post count I will call thier behavior as I see it.

Having been told to leave a few times already I think I may do just that.

That wasn't the point of my posting.

I would rather everyone took a few steps back, do some deep breathing exercises, then come back to the table and get along.

I don't want anyone to "be chased off". Like Peter (Gideon Thorne) said, civility is the goal, and that has been deviated from.

So lets just promise to be nice in the future and just put this "introduction" behind us.

Everyone will slip up now and again, but civil discourse is one of our most favored rules.
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