Castles and Crusades or Lejendary Adventure

daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:52 am

I like Saga Edition Star Wars much better than normal d20. I LOVE Savage Worlds. And C&C sounds much more like what I'm looking for than 3.5 D&D.

daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:01 am

I think I may be sold! I just started reading the players handbook and I am falling in love with the simple rules. I am finding that since I have a good understanding of d20 that with just a few modifications, I already know how to play the game!

What I have been missing! It seems the game systems that will fuel my games will be Star Wars Saga Edition (for Star Wars), Castles and Crusade (for fantasy) and, Savage Worlds (for everything else).

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:28 am

Good to hear! I think once you really get to see the SIEGE engine in action you may get tempted to adapt it to all your styles of gaming. It is just a great core mechanic.
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Dristram · Post by **Dristram** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:38 pm

daddystabz wrote:
Thanks all! You have all been so helpful.

Besides what all I bought at Origins I have also picked up lately: Deadlands Reloaded, Pirates of the Spanish Main, Necessary Evil (adapating Marvel Comics characters into it fo a Marvel campaign), d20 Dark Matter, Rippers (for a dark gothic 19th. century horror campaign), and Star Wars Saga Edition (Fantastic rules revision...will be playing in a goup at a local store).

And thus why game manufacturers love conventions!
Glad to hear you're liking C&C.

daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:51 pm

Thanks! I am pretty shocked how similar C&C is to 1st. edition D&D but done right! I am also shocked how easy it is to pick it up and figure out how to play in no time at all. The only rule I'm not fond of so far is the time it takes for wizards and illusionists to prepare their spells.

I downloaded some multiclassing/dual classing rules and I am going through the combat chapter in a detailed fashion today. I am in search now of a wonderful campaign setting for my upcoming campaign.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:58 pm

Welcome to the Crusade. Long may the banner of freedom from excessiveness wave, and may all your d20s end the lives of PCs.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:42 pm

daddystabz wrote:
Thanks! I am pretty shocked how similar C&C is to 1st. edition D&D but done right! I am also shocked how easy it is to pick it up and figure out how to play in no time at all. The only rule I'm not fond of so far is the time it takes for wizards and illusionists to prepare their spells.

I downloaded some multiclassing/dual classing rules and I am going through the combat chapter in a detailed fashion today. I am in search now of a wonderful campaign setting for my upcoming campaign.

Remember one of the most important rules in C&C, if you find a rule you don't like, house rule it!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:48 pm

Or, if there isn't a rule... wing-it!

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:28 am

daddystabz wrote:
Thanks! I am pretty shocked how similar C&C is to 1st. edition D&D but done right! I am also shocked how easy it is to pick it up and figure out how to play in no time at all. The only rule I'm not fond of so far is the time it takes for wizards and illusionists to prepare their spells.

In this circumstance, I've adapted the rule from the d20 SRD for spell prep. I much prefer that one to the 'old school one'...

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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:06 pm

You mean the rule where it only takes 1 hour per spell to prepare?

Also, is there an official campaign setting for C&C? I've read a little bit about Castle Zagyg but I'm not too familiar with campaign settings for it.

I am sooooo torn right now.

I am trying to decide if my upcoming fantasy setting will be run using Savage Worlds (Shaintar Immortal Legends setting) or using Castles and Crusades. Decisions, decisions.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:15 pm

daddystabz wrote:
You mean the rule where it only takes 1 hour per spell to prepare?

Also, is there an official campaign setting for C&C? I've read a little bit about Castle Zagyg but I'm not too familiar with campaign settings for it.

I am sooooo torn right now.

I am trying to decide if my upcoming fantasy setting will be run using Savage Worlds (Shaintar Immortal Legends setting) or using Castles and Crusades. Decisions, decisions.

I am sure you will have fun irregardless of which one you use. The only thing I can think of that should sway you is if you have 1E and 2E material you want to use. C&C facilitates bridging that material together best.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:22 pm

I just read up on Castle Zygaz..it sounds very interesting. I wonder what the level requirements are for most of it?

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:24 pm

daddystabz wrote:
I just read up on Castle Zygaz..it sounds very interesting. I wonder what the level requirements are for most of it?

Levels one through however long ones characters survive.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:59 pm

hehe...it sounds like fun! I also read that it is also really supposed to be set in the world of Greyhawk, although not explicitly saying so, to avoid copyright issues.

Also, does anyone know how to tell if you have a first edition or second edition printing of the players handbook? I don't see it stated anywhere on or in the book. It does have a publishing date of 2006 though.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:20 pm

Thats the second printing. Another way to confirm is look at the spell lists. I fthey have page numbers to the right of them it is second printing.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:36 pm

Treebore wrote:
Thats the second printing. Another way to confirm is look at the spell lists. I fthey have page numbers to the right of them it is second printing.

They do indeed! I am happy it is the newer and more edited version.

I think I'm sold. I really think C&C is fantastic and I will be playing fantasy campaigns in it for a looooong time. This is better than D&D 3.5! And when you take into account all the free material out there that adds to the game, the compatibility with old D&D material and 3.0/3.5 material as well, and all the printed official material...the possibilities are AMAZING!

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:36 pm

Easiest way to tell 1st print from 2nd print PHB is to look at the spine... if it says TLG80102 it is 2nd print.... that's what the "2" means.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:41 pm

daddystabz wrote:
They do indeed! I am happy it is the newer and more edited version.

I think I'm sold. I really think C&C is fantastic and I will be playing fantasy campaigns in it for a looooong time. This is better than D&D 3.5! And when you take into account all the free material out there that adds to the game, the compatibility with old D&D material and 3.0/3.5 material as well, and all the printed official material...the possibilities are AMAZING!

I think your catching on.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:56 pm

daddystabz wrote:
hehe...it sounds like fun

More to the point, the CZ dungeons are recommended to start at first level, but the increase in challenge isn't linear. When, not if, when the odds get too great, running away is a good plan.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:35 pm

I checked the spine and it is indeed 2nd. edition.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:43 pm

daddystabz wrote:
I checked the spine and it is indeed 2nd. edition.

Printing, not edition. C&C doesn't have 'editions'.
And the 2nd printing, funny enough, is actually sold out at the Troll Dens. There's a few copies floating around in the distribution chains. But, now that the 3rd printing is actually out, those will disappear quick enough.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:47 pm

Printing err....

THIRD printing is out????????

What is the difference between third and second and how/where to get it?

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:59 pm

daddystabz wrote:
Printing err....

THIRD printing is out????????

What is the difference between third and second and how/where to get it?

http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/80102.html This link answers all the questions. ^_^
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:55 pm

daddystabz wrote:
Printing err....

THIRD printing is out????????

What is the difference between third and second and how/where to get it?

Hey daddystabz, just so you're not too alarmed since you just bought the 2nd print. The second print is very clean and formatted/layout well and incorporates all the errata from the 1st print.

Myself, I use the 1st print, cause I have most of the errata memorized or on hand. I only turn to the 2nd print for quick spell lookups.

I wouldn't even buy the 3rd print, except I'm a bit of a completist/collector and some of my nephews have expressed interest. So another copy of the PH at the table is good.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:59 pm

If you ordered from the Trolls you should be getting the 3rd printing, irregardless.
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:00 pm

The descriptions mentions: "the only rules addition or change appearing in the 3rd printing are the new poison charts for the assassin."

How can I get these poison charts? This seems pretty important for an assassing character.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:04 pm

daddystabz wrote:
The descriptions mentions: "the only rules addition or change appearing in the 3rd printing are the new poison charts for the assassin."

How can I get these poison charts? This seems pretty important for an assassing character.

These same charts also appear in the 24 page Dragons of Ahirde book, and will be appearing in the 2nd printing of the Monsters & Treasures book
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daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:42 pm

Wow...I was about to buy the Monsters and Treaures book...when is the second printing due for that? And what about the Castle Keeper's book too?

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:52 pm

The second printing for M&T supposedly went to the printers June 25th. So the Trolls could be getting their hands on it any day now.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:55 pm

The CKG will be printed when Davis stops writing it. No estimation can be given.