Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - clips

AGNKim · Post by **AGNKim** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:13 pm

I saw it the other day. I read books 1-3, then stopped, (I was recruiting for the Navy at the time. I barely had to to inhale, much less read), so I haven't read 4 or 5. I thought the latest movie was really good, though extremely dark. I'd give it a thumbs up.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:19 pm

Nope, I've only read book 1. When the 1st movie was released, I was so happy with it that I stopped reading the remaining books because the film was so well done. However, once the film series is done in 2010 I will probably go back and read all of the books from beginning to end.

Nice views and explanation Dyne, thx.

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:11 pm

More great comments (even the critical ones) on the movie. Thanks to all.

I really want to see this at the theater, but no one will go with me!!
Guess I'll have to wait for the DVD!
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:12 pm

Oh yeah, 5 days and counting down for the final HP book!!
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:57 am

I have my reservation slip in hand. While we're waiting any theries on book 7?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:06 am

Hermione is actually Voldemort's daughter, and it is her who kills Harry Potter.

Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:40 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
I have my reservation slip in hand. While we're waiting any theries on book 7?

A sphere of annihilation comes out of nowhere and destroys the whole universe.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:25 am

In order to defeat He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, Mr. Potter has to open a rift to summon Nyarlathotep. That is the only way to secure He from taking over the world. Of course, the big N would then be the new headmaster at Hogwarts...

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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:48 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
I have my reservation slip in hand. While we're waiting any theries on book 7?

Beyond the fact that Harry Potter himself is the final horcrux that he has to destroy, not offhand. ^_~`
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:23 pm

Random HP7 thoughts:

Harry will not die.

I'm not so sure Dumbledore is really dead.

Snape will turn out to be a good guy and mebbe save Harry - and will thus die.

Hermione and Ron will not die.

One of the Weasley's could be one of the one's who dies. Ginny or a twin?

Dudley will grow up and become a paper shuffling civil servant.

JK will return to HP/Hogwarts and the magical world in the future and write more books.

Oh yeah, Voltemort will die!
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:22 pm

Rhuvein wrote:
Random HP7 thoughts:

Harry will not die.

I'm not so sure Dumbledore is really dead.

Snape will turn out to be a good guy and mebbe save Harry - and will thus die.

Hermione and Ron will not die.

One of the Weasley's could be one of the one's who dies. Ginny or a twin?

Dudley will grow up and become a paper shuffling civil servant.

JK will return to HP/Hogwarts and the magical world in the future and write more books.

Oh yeah, Voltemort will die!

I think Harry will die, and so will Ron. Voldemort too. I agree Dumbledore has a way to come back to life, which is why he has Snape do what he did. I also believe Snape is a good guy, and will prove such beofre things are over.

If I am right about Harry dying I don't think I ever want JK to return to writing about this world. If I am wrong then I would like her to tell more about his future life. If he survives the final death of Valdemort (Gideon may be right about Harry being the final piece. If he is, it wasn't intentional.), he definitely has an interesting future ahead of him. Whether he wants it to be or not.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:25 pm

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(Gideon may be right about Harry being the final piece. If he is, it wasn't intentional.),

Course I'm right. The authors been hitting people over the head with it since the first book. ^_~`
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:13 pm

Heh, it might be "fun" or interesting to have Harry die, but really, it would be a disaster for Rowling and the HP series. All the earlier books would be viewed differently and for me, I would immediately lose interest in ever reading them again. or watching the movies.

And then, that would most likely be the end of any more books in that particular world.

Sure, Rowling is rich and doesn't need to worry about getting published again , but there's also something very powerful in an author's legacy and how they will be viewed and remembered

Killing Harry, even if he dies heroically would affirm that evil triumphs over good and love. The powerful protection granted from his mother - love would then have failed. IMO, then the author fails completely in what was being presented in the books.

So we would then have:

Good loses to evil

A mother's love fails to protect

The hero dies

The end.

Not a good finish, and one that I don't believe JK Rowling will let happen.

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Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:46 am

Harry's not a Horcrux:

1. Voldemort wouldn't have tried to kill Harry that night if he planned to make him a Horcrux and a spell like that could not have happened by accident.

2. If Harry is a Horcrux, Voldemort would have known and would not have made any attempts on his life.

3. Voldemort would have had no time to cast the spell needed for Harry to be a Horcrux. He tried to kill Harry almost immediately after he killed Lily.

All the things that fans cite as "evidence" for Harry being a Horcrux have already been explained, so I'm not sure why people keep bringing them up. IMHO, Harry being a Horcrux would be the lamest idea evar, and I think J.K. Rowling is much more creative than that.

I pretty much agree with Rhuvein's theories. J.K. Rowling has dropped subtle hints that Dumbledore and Sirius Black may return, which such lines as "Things you lose have a way of coming back to you." Since C.S. Lewis is one of her favorite authors, it wouldn't surprise me to see a theme of rebirth in the seventh book, especially considering Dumbledore's symbol is the Phoenix (a bird that dies and is reborn from the ashes). It would also go along with the series' themes about love and good winning over evil and such.

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:49 am

Rhuvein wrote:
So we would then have:

Good loses to evil

A mother's love fails to protect

The hero dies

The end.

Not a good finish, and one that I don't believe JK Rowling will let happen.

Probably not, but how "Elric" of it all to end that way.

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:50 am

khartsfield wrote:
I saw it the other day. I read books 1-3, then stopped, (I was recruiting for the Navy at the time. I barely had to to inhale, much less read), so I haven't read 4 or 5. I thought the latest movie was really good, though extremely dark. I'd give it a thumbs up.

Same here. I got through the third one and took an unplanned hiatus. I'm sure that when my son is of reading age I'll be back.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:04 am

Dyne wrote:
Harry's not a Horcrux:

1. Voldemort wouldn't have tried to kill Harry that night if he planned to make him a Horcrux and a spell like that could not have happened by accident.

Voldemort was going to kill Harry for that very reason. To use his death to MAKE a Horcrux. Since thats how one does it. Voldemort always used 'special' victims to make a given horcrux. Its symbolic in his mind. And the reason the spell rebounded (and caused the scar) was due to the self sacrifice of his mom. Also stated quite clearly in the books several times. ^_^

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2. If Harry is a Horcrux, Voldemort would have known and would not have made any attempts on his life.

Voldemort's soul is so wounded, as Dumbledore explained, that he didn't even feel the loss of the Horcrux in the Tom Riddle Diary. So he's hardly going to be aware of Harry as one, even though 'voldemort transfered some of his powers to Harry" which the evil bad dude has become aware of.

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3. Voldemort would have had no time to cast the spell needed for Harry to be a Horcrux. He tried to kill Harry almost immediately after he killed Lily.

This is a fictional book, not an rpg game 'time to cast' a spell takes as long as the author says it does. ^_^

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All the things that fans cite as "evidence" for Harry being a Horcrux have already been explained, so I'm not sure why people keep bringing them up. IMHO, Harry being a Horcrux would be the lamest idea evar, and I think J.K. Rowling is much more creative than that.

Because the explanations are insufficient. And its a kids book, its not high literature. The plot doesn't have to be profound. ^_^

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I pretty much agree with Rhuvein's theories. J.K. Rowling has dropped subtle hints that Dumbledore and Sirius Black may return, which such lines as "Things you lose have a way of coming back to you." Since C.S. Lewis is one of her favorite authors, it wouldn't surprise me to see a theme of rebirth in the seventh book, especially considering Dumbledore's symbol is the Phoenix (a bird that dies and is reborn from the ashes). It would also go along with the series' themes about love and good winning over evil and such.

Rowling has flat out stated, several times in several interviews, that Dumbledore is dead and wont be doing any 'return' business. And I'd say that Sirus, falling through deaths door, 'there is no return' as Sir Nicholas pointed out.^_~`

As for a theme of rebirth.. whats more thematic than the old order (Dumbledore) passing away and a new order being born. One doesn't get any more phoenix like than the cycle of life itself. ^_^
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:27 am

Snape is really Dumbledore.

Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:50 am

I'm gonna answer these a bit out of order so that my points are more clear.

gideon_thorne wrote:
Voldemort was going to kill Harry for that very reason. To use his death to MAKE a Horcrux. Since thats how one does it. Voldemort always used 'special' victims to make a given horcrux. Its symbolic in his mind. And the reason the spell rebounded (and caused the scar) was due to the self sacrifice of his mom. Also stated quite clearly in the books several times. ^_^

That's kinda my point. In order to create a Horcrux, Voldemort would have to kill someone first and use their death to power its creation. Half-blood Prince describes the creation of a Horcrux as being a very complicated procedure, it doesn't just happen on accident.

I believe it's safe to assume that, if Harry was turned into a Horcrux, it would not be by Voldemort's intention. Let's face it, it'd be pretty darn stupid to go through all the rituals of turning Harry into a Horcrux, and then immediately go "Now die, living vessel of my soul!" He may as well shoot himself in the face.

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This is a fictional book, not an rpg game 'time to cast' a spell takes as long as the author says it does. ^_^

If I'm not mistaken, the books describe the creation of a Horcrux as a lengthy and complicated process. Voldemort would not have the time to blow up the Potter house, kill both the parents, and then perform a bunch of rituals to create a Horcrux, all before the Order of the Phoenix showed up and blasted him to smithereens. It may not have the concrete rules of an RPG game, but it still has to obey the laws of common sense.

Because of this, it is impossible to create a Horcrux by accident. Voldemort would have to perform all the necessary rituals at Godric's Hollow before killing Harry, and that is simply not feasible. Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow with one goal in mind: kill Lily, James, and Harry Potter. Since Voldemort was not trying to turn Harry into a Horcrux and he was just trying to kill him, this could really only have two outcomes: 1) Harry dies, or 2) Harry doesn't die. The Avada Kedavra curse does not turn people into Horcruxes, it only kills them.

Since Voldemort didn't turn Harry into a Horcrux on purpose, and he could not feasibly do it on accident, the answer is: Voldemort did not turn Harry into a Horcrux.

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Voldemort's soul is so wounded, as Dumbledore explained, that he didn't even feel the loss of the Horcrux in the Tom Riddle Diary. So he's hardly going to be aware of Harry as one, even though 'voldemort transfered some of his powers to Harry" which the evil bad dude has become aware of.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the reason Voldemort can not feel the destruction of a Horcrux is because it is separated from his being. Just like if your arm is cut off, you won't feel it if someone pokes that dismembered arm. On the other hand, Voldemort can feel when part of his soul is split off to create a new Horcrux, just like you would feel your arm being cut off. But like I said, I could be wrong, since I haven't read the books in quite awhile.

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Because the explanations are insufficient. And its a kids book, its not high literature. The plot doesn't have to be profound. ^_^

This is a matter of personal opinion, but I've always seen the explanations as being quite sufficient. At least, no one ever questioned them before this Horcrux business was brought up in book 6. Also, the reason I even read the books is because the plot is profound. I've been mesmerized with these stories since the very first book came out, I don't want to be disappointed with a lame ending to the series.

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Rowling has flat out stated, several times in several interviews, that Dumbledore is dead and wont be doing any 'return' business. And I'd say that Sirus, falling through deaths door, 'there is no return' as Sir Nicholas pointed out.^_~`

I suppose. Still won't stop me from hoping, though my heart sinks with each bit of news that comes out regarding the 7th book.

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As for a theme of rebirth.. whats more thematic than the old order (Dumbledore) passing away and a new order being born. One doesn't get any more phoenix like than the cycle of life itself. ^_^

Eh, the whole point of the phoenix is that it doesn't follow the natural cycle of life. Well, cycle of death, more like.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:37 pm

Dyne wrote:
I believe it's safe to assume that, if Harry was turned into a Horcrux, it would not be by Voldemort's intention. Let's face it, it'd be pretty darn stupid to go through all the rituals of turning Harry into a Horcrux, and then immediately go "Now die, living vessel of my soul!" He may as well shoot himself in the face.

I never said it was intentional. Its just what occured. And I never said it was the intent to make Harry into one. Its just a tragic happenstance as I'll explain below.

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If I'm not mistaken, the books describe the creation of a Horcrux as a lengthy and complicated process. Voldemort would not have the time to blow up the Potter house, kill both the parents, and then perform a bunch of rituals to create a Horcrux, all before the Order of the Phoenix showed up and blasted him to smithereens. It may not have the concrete rules of an RPG game, but it still has to obey the laws of common sense.

Magic doesn't have to obey any law of 'common sense'. Thats why its magic. ^_^

But the 'sense' part comes in if the big bad dude managed all his ritual preparation beforehand. And it never states how long and complicated this ritual is. He might just have to waggle his eyebrows differently. ^_~`

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Because of this, it is impossible to create a Horcrux by accident. Voldemort would have to perform all the necessary rituals at Godric's Hollow before killing Harry, and that is simply not feasible. Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow with one goal in mind: kill Lily, James, and Harry Potter. Since Voldemort was not trying to turn Harry into a Horcrux and he was just trying to kill him, this could really only have two outcomes: 1) Harry dies, or 2) Harry doesn't die. The Avada Kedavra curse does not turn people into Horcruxes, it only kills them.

Its a fictional book. The word 'impossible' doesn't apply here. It certainly never applies with magic, since in a magical world 'anything is possible'. Just damn difficult at times. ^_~`

The curse is a tool used to create the Horcrux. The magic simply backfired.

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Since Voldemort didn't turn Harry into a Horcrux on purpose, and he could not feasibly do it on accident, the answer is: Voldemort did not turn Harry into a Horcrux.

How do you define feasible in this context? Voldemort uses the death of his main enemies to create a horcrux. It was his intention to use Harry as the 'fuel' as it were to make one of these phylacteries , as explicitly stated in the 6th book. So Voldemort was long since prepared to use Harry as part of the ritual. James and Lilly just got in the way. And Lily's sacrificed cause an unintended effect which 'transfered some of voldemorts power to him.' Ergo, the most likely effect being the unintended creation of a horcrux. The link between the two certainly is a factor. As is 'marking his enemy as an equal.'

The author has been drawing a clear line from A-Z since the first book. Other conclusions may be drawn, but I don't see any of them as likely as this one. ^_^
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:38 am

Ok here's my short sweet list of predictions:

1. Sirius is not dead and will return.

2. Dumbledore had Snape kill him for a reason.

3. Ron will betray Harry.

4. Draco will save Harry's life or Harry will save Draco's

5. The Dursley's are attacked and Harry has to defend them.

6.Ron or Hermione is Killed.

7. Harry and Voldemort kill each other.
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Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:51 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
Magic doesn't have to obey any law of 'common sense'. Thats why its magic. ^_^

No, Rowling makes it very clear what the precise effects of each individual spell are. Magic in the HP-verse does not obey the same laws as our world, but it does have laws of its own; it's basically their substitute for technology, and it's more of a science really. That's part of the draw to the books, that the world is so complex and fleshed out. The whole idea of "Magic is mysterious and we really don't know what it does" is a very juvenile idea from fairy tales, and literature has long since outgrown it.

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But the 'sense' part comes in if the big bad dude managed all his ritual preparation beforehand. And it never states how long and complicated this ritual is. He might just have to waggle his eyebrows differently. ^_~`

Again I could be wrong, but the rituals all surround the item to be turned into a Horcrux. I don't think you can do any of it beforehand without the item; I somehow remember something involving a magic circle....

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Its a fictional book. The word 'impossible' doesn't apply here. It certainly never applies with magic, since in a magical world 'anything is possible'. Just damn difficult at times. ^_~`

Anything is possible with a reasonable explanation. Like I said, the reasoning of "It's magic, it just happens!" is very juvenile, and I would expect much more than that from J.K. Rowling.

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The curse is a tool used to create the Horcrux. The magic simply backfired.

No, the curse is a tool to kill people. The spell to create a Horcrux is completely separate from the Avada Kedavra curse. The curse was never created for the purposes of making Horcruxes, and you don't even need to use the curse to make a Horcrux. In order to create a Horcrux, you must kill someone; the books do not say anywhere that you have to kill them with the Avada Kedavra curse. You could instead kill someone with a knife and still use their death to create a Horcrux. Would you consider it likely that Voldemort could accidentally turn someone into a Horcrux if he instead tried to stab them? Avada Kedavra is just like a knife: a tool to kill someone. It is completely separate and unrelated to Horcruxes.

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How do you define feasible in this context?

By the definition of the word "feasible," as in "reasonably likely or possible". There is no reasonable explanation whatsoever of why Harry would be a Horcrux. J.K. Rowling has been very good at explaining everything else in her series, I believe it is something we can expect of her in future books.

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Voldemort uses the death of his main enemies to create a horcrux. It was his intention to use Harry as the 'fuel' as it were to make one of these phylacteries , as explicitly stated in the 6th book. So Voldemort was long since prepared to use Harry as part of the ritual.

As I said before, I do not believe any of the rituals or preparations can begin without the item to be used. Actually, I believe you have to kill someone before any of the rituals and preparations: you need their death to power the rituals, otherwise it is just meaningless. Since Voldemort did not have Harry's death, and he did not have Harry's body/scar to turn into a Horcrux, I believe it is safe to assume he did not do any sort of rituals or preparations for a Horcrux before he went to Godric's Hollow.

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James and Lilly just got in the way. And Lily's sacrificed cause an unintended effect which 'transfered some of voldemorts power to him.'

Lily's sacrifice was a different bit of magic, as described in the 1st book. Whatever she did caused Voldemort's curse to bounce back at himself, draining him of his powers and presumably transferring some of it to Harry. All of this was because of Lily's sacrifice, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with Horcruxes.

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Ergo, the most likely effect being the unintended creation of a horcrux. The link between the two certainly is a factor.

As I've already said repeatedly, the Avada Kedavra curse does not create Horcruxes. The spell has no connection whatsoever with Horcruxes. You do not need to use Avada Kedavra to create a Horcrux, you just need to murder someone; it just so happens that the killing curse is a very handy way to murder someone.

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As is 'marking his enemy as an equal.'

That's part of the prophecy by Professor Trelawney. As Dumbledore said in his office, prophesies are self-fulfilling; it could've been Neville who was the "Boy that lived" instead of Harry.

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The author has been drawing a clear line from A-Z since the first book. Other conclusions may be drawn, but I don't see any of them as likely as this one. ^_^

The author has been drawing a clear line that Harry will kill Voldemort, satisfying the part of the prophecy that says "either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...." If Harry were a Horcrux, it would be the complete opposite: neither can die while the other lives. Voldemort couldn't kill Harry because of all his protections (mother's sacrifice, something involving the Dursleys, etc.), while Harry couldn't kill Voldemort because he would just come back from the Horcruxes. It would also mean that both characters must die, which also violates the prophecy: one must kill the other to survive, not they both kill each other and no one survives.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:38 am

*chuckles* Got a couple days before everyone finds out one way or another. I'll stand by my conclusions.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:54 am

According to some, there is a photocopy of the book floating about the internet, and some of those some have deliberately gone about posting spoilers. I won't, because I don't care, but I do hope it ends poorly.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:30 am

serleran wrote:
According to some, there is a photocopy of the book floating about the internet, and some of those some have deliberately gone about posting spoilers. I won't, because I don't care, but I do hope it ends poorly.

The author's already debunked those. ^_~`
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:37 am

Damnit. Why'd you have to ruin my hopes? You're a cruel man.

Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:55 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
The author's already debunked those. ^_~`

I think some of them were actually authentic. The publishers had to shut down some people that were posting actual photocopies of the book.

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* Got a couple days before everyone finds out one way or another. I'll stand by my conclusions.

But, but... what are we gonna do until then?
You know, I don't think I've ever heard of a children's book that has sparked so many debates between grown men. Rowling must have some gift.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:37 pm

Dyne wrote:
But, but... what are we gonna do until then?

Well, I for one am getting his art ready for a convention in tulsa this weekend. ^_~` Conestoga 2007

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:09 pm

Very interesting discussion and good points are being made.

I'm rereading Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince in preparation for the big event Saturday and had some more random thoughts:

Assuming Harry will be the one to dispatch Voldemort, will he kill him outright? It could be a dilemma for JK, since she might not want to make her main hero a "killer".

Yeah, the Dark Lord would certainly deserve it and it would make revenge/final death of the bad guy a good feeling for some readers and Harry's friends, but then Harry is reduced to being as bad as the evil forces he's battling depending on how it's handled.

Any thoughts on this, my fellow Gryffindors?

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Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:12 am

I have a feeling Voldemort is gonna die in a way similar to Quirrel: unable to stand the purity of love. He's probably gonna end up doing something that will get himself killed, would be my guess.