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He said in the post I was one inch away from it, but all of a sudden I can't access ENWorld unless I log out and just read as "anonymous".

So I guess he deicided to do it anyways.

Funny.

Oh, what did I do? I said, "If you think 4E is going to be flawless, or at least better than 3E, in the next six months, then you must worship WOTC."

Meaning, in the context of the thread, that people who think WOTC is going to put together a flawless game, put together better than 3.0 was with less than six months to go until publication, must worship them to believe so.

I then went on to talk, as the thread was about, how they would use DI, and probably those annual new DMG's and PH's, to avoid doing something labeled "4.5" or "Revised".

Anyways, I think its funny. It assures I will no longer give ENWorld my money as a supporter, though.
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Treebore is officially an outlaw.

Apparently he only accidently banned me, I've been given back access. Well, at least until he rereads my last post, if I didn't "rephrase" things to his satisfaction.

Ahhh! The freedom of not caring.
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The place is titled "Morrus' D&D / D20 News & Reviews site." I'm not sure what you were expecting. =P

I was banned at the turn of the year for "snarkiness", as if I invented it. Some posters at ENWorld can go on and on, with page after page of "snark". Oh well. Didn't bother me that much, although I withdrew my yearly CSA update.

I have completely refrained from posting in the 4E forum since about a week after the announcement. There were several pointed comments directed at me that posts going counter to the flow were unwelcome. I still post, but I avoid the 4E forum, except to occasionally report the random Hong post. But that's just tradition, and the 4E forum is where I'm finding the best of his work.

Ok. Fun.

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Treebore-

being banned from messageboards aint all that bad. Sometimes you even get a rep from it.

You're THAT skeeter!
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skeetyrbug wrote:
Treebore-

being banned from messageboards aint all that bad. Sometimes you even get a rep from it.

I earned all the rep I wanted to earn years ago. I am the "I'm quiet and want to be left alone" stage of life.
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Yeah, they locked a thread I started on dragons foot about 4th edition possibly flopping.

It was an honest opinion, and I didn't say anything about wotc, but rather about gaming styles...

I found it weird.

slimykuotoan wrote:
Yeah, they locked a thread I started on dragons foot about 4th edition possibly flopping.

It was an honest opinion, and I didn't say anything about wotc, but rather about gaming styles...

I found it weird.

I find aspects of Dragonsfoot a bit disturbing with their attitudes from a select few. I found a couple of threads reminiscent of, well... threads on those *other* boards. That's why I tend to stick to the C&C section. On the most part, most people there seem ok till anything from 3.x onwards is mentioned.

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moriarty777 wrote:
I find aspects of Dragonsfoot a bit disturbing with their attitudes from a select few. I found a couple of threads reminiscent of, well... threads on those *other* boards. That's why I tend to stick to the C&C section. On the most part, most people there seem ok till anything from 3.x onwards is mentioned.

Moriarty the Red

I drop in there once in a while to check the C&C threads and go on. I have given up on that site. It's the dark side of liking classic D&D IMNSHO.
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If you get banned from here, you've done something.... err, something. Other places ban because they can, like Malcolm would say.

Treebore wrote:
Apparently he only accidently banned me, I've been given back access.

Oh well. Better luck next time!

Who cares if they ban you for saying something less than optimistic about D&D4(soon to be).5? Let them bury their heads about any kind of criticism and listen only to the people who will tell them how wonderful it is. I'll especially enjoy it when they come out with "Well, we listened to the gamer community and blah blah blah".

Eh, if all you hear is what you like then what will you hear when someone tells you the train is crossing?

Treebore wrote:
"If you think 4E is going to be flawless, or at least better than 3E, in the next six months, then you must worship WOTC."

Last thing I heard about 4e, I wasn't on ENworld, but rather reading an article on capping 3.0 PCs and NPCs at 5th level for the sake of realism. Then, I did read a sub-article about rule design: so it seems that in 4e, if a rust monster destroys your armor and weapons, no problem, since next encounter these will be as new again (because otherwise it would be not fun ). I was so upset to read that. I haven't much read about 4e, but it looks as a total... well, something absolutely not for me. I can't understand people are so enthusiast about it. you know, I think you are right: to rave like that about the next edition, they must have turned fanboyish worshippers. And of course, they may not suffer to be reminded of that.

Greylock wrote:
I have completely refrained from posting in the 4E forum since about a week after the announcement. There were several pointed comments directed at me that posts going counter to the flow were unwelcome. I still post, but I avoid the 4E forum.

Probably the best policy. I guess your Prime in wisdom because you apparently succeeded your saving throw against 4e feeblemind...
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I wish I could get banned so I wouldn't get bored and tempted to go look over there, then just get frustrated at the stuff I read, and how lost some of these gamers seem, in my eyes.

Sometimes I just have to breath, and say to myself "Everyone has their own likes and dislikes" over and over.

RakintheBlue wrote:
I wish I could get banned so I wouldn't get bored and tempted to go look over there, then just get frustrated at the stuff I read, and how lost some of these gamers seem, in my eyes.

Sometimes I just have to breath, and say to myself "Everyone has their own likes and dislikes" over and over.

I do much the same thing! Still doesn't stop me from feeling sick to my stomach.
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For everything that make us dislike 4e, I must nonetheless say that 4e as a truly redeeming quality...

Yes, it has!
This is the 4e wallet! You know, you go to a store and spend all your money. Every penny of it. However, don't worry. Because next shop you will enter, your wallet will be full again...
Eeer... This is just a game?

Oooh, nevermind.
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Turanil wrote:
For everything that make us dislike 4e, I must nonetheless say that 4e as a truly redeeming quality...

Yes, it has!
This is the 4e wallet! You know, you go to a store and spend all your money. Every penny of it. However, don't worry. Because next shop you will enter, your wallet will be full again...
Eeer... This is just a game?

Oooh, nevermind.

4e is like MMORPGs (in this one redeeming aspect); it gets new players interested in the medium. I have 3 out of 5 gamers in our team started by playing EQ and then asked to join our PnP games.
Eventually people will want to "jump-game" especially once they find there are alternatives out there.

Honestly, while I can't stand anything about 4E, if it get's people into the hobby, I guess it's not a bad thing...

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Unless it gets people to look and then horrifies them to the point of never wanting to come back. Not that it will. But I think I can say, honestly, that if my first intro to the world of rpg's had been something rules heavy (like Rolemaster) instead of Moldvay D&D, I probably wouldn't still be playing role-playing games.

4e doesn't look like my thing, but I don't have a problem with anyone who finds it to be theirs. And if truly does bring new blood into our little hobby then kudos to them for that.

How does it bring in new blood? It's like going to the gym to shoot hoops and find a soccer game going on. Yeah, there is a game being played, but it ain't what I came to play and now my balls are useless.
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Banning anyone who has the slightest criticism of 3e or 4e seems to be the way they keep their fanboy clubs together. I didn't get banned, but asked to leave by Andy Collins (may he be cursed with priapism in a gay biker bar) because I said (in regards to the substitution of the ranger with the wilderogue in 3.5) "I think combat paths are a bad idea." I can't believe someone could get so riled up because someone said he had a bad idea. Hell, I've had TONS of bad ideas - most involving Wild Turkey and a nudie bar, but that's another thread....
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JRR wrote:
How does it bring in new blood? It's like going to the gym to shoot hoops and find a soccer game going on. Yeah, there is a game being played, but it ain't what I came to play and now my balls are useless.

It's not going to effect your game in quite the same sense, unless they hog up all the tables at the game store. I feel the same way with what has happened to my old game. (I ,too ,started with MoldvayD&D.) Shortly after that though I went on to BattleTech and CarWars. I never played AD&D, or 2eAD&D. Whenever I thought of D&D (and I played it in off and on quite a bit), I thought of (non-A)D&D.

You know a game design is going nowhere when they are intolerant of constructive criticism. Instead of allowing a DM to develop any kind of mastery over his or her game, the newer editions hobble a DM and straitjacket everyone on both sides of the screen. That's fine. Makes me look like a great GM and that took a special kind of talent to do that.

JRR wrote:
How does it bring in new blood? It's like going to the gym to shoot hoops and find a soccer game going on. Yeah, there is a game being played, but it ain't what I came to play and now my balls are useless.

Then go to another gym. I'm not a WOTC fan but I did like alot of aspects of 3.X and I like C&C and 4e may have some things I like as well. It's all taste anyway. At it's core all D&D editions are similar that is why C&C works so well with them.

I don't understand this instant attitude of "I'm gonna hate it" not really knowing anything about it. A fanboy is a fanboy no matter what side of the edition line he is on.
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Well, just with what they've released so far, I can tell you I'm pretty much going to hate the new edition of what was once called D&D. I have no desire to play a game where when the cleric critically hits in battle, all of his companions are healed (no matter how you want to explain it). To me, that makes little sense, and kind of kills whatever tiny bit of realism that once existed in the game.

There is no doubt that 4e will be a video game on paper. No doubt.

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Omote wrote:
There is no doubt that 4e will be a video game on paper. No doubt.

Every 1,000,000 XP you'll get an extra life.

I expect to see a "Save" spell too. Cast it and all your info will be saved there. Then, with a contingency spell...upon your death...*whoosh*! Back to where you saved!

Julian Grimm wrote:
Then go to another gym. I'm not a WOTC fan but I did like alot of aspects of 3.X and I like C&C and 4e may have some things I like as well. It's all taste anyway. At it's core all D&D editions are similar that is why C&C works so well with them.

I don't understand this instant attitude of "I'm gonna hate it" not really knowing anything about it. A fanboy is a fanboy no matter what side of the edition line he is on.

I was happy to hear that they are dumping the skill system. That system was so clunky and doubled my prep time as a DM. Then again, the SIEGE system has enfolded a much better skill system within it's take of the games. So my question then became"Well, I already have a system that does that feature better. What else will 4e have?"

From looking at the hype bulletins, not much else I want. We have replenishable per-encounter "powers" for all classes that is wish fulfillment for any player that has yet to see the same thing in a Palladium game. Why negotiate with anything now? Just *Pow Zowee* your way through an entire dungeon. Unless something just flat out overpowers you (like a Gawd). We have set roles for each class that stratifies the class system (a step backwards in game design).

It is supposedly modeled after the SW:Saga game mechanic. Well, that system is basically "What happens when you add the deck-building aspect of a CCG into a RPG?" If you add Talent A from this class and prestige into Talent B with the defense stats of yet another class, viola' power-supreme mode.

That system limits free imagination. With SIEGE I can have a diplomatic fighter or a brawny wizard. With d20+ I need to "collect" a certain recipe of traits and classes to blend into my vision of my character. And up until then? I get to play pieces of my character. Or, if I just don't/can't/won't study the system, I'll never get it right.

That is the issue I have with WoTC's game mechanics. It is quite telling to me that their offer of successive PHBs and DMGs means that their game is a sort of a "Gotta Catch 'em All" mentality.