Tegal Manor

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:11 am

New news today.

The 4E Tegal Manor will be full color and have a pull out map.

Look here for further info:
http://p208.ezboard.com/fnecromancergam ... =618.topic

Also, in another thread Melan, the fellow who converted Tegal MAnor to 3E, said there would likely be a 3E download (confirmed elsewhere by Clark) and a C&C conversion as well.
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Aladar · Post by **Aladar** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:17 pm

Cool. I have the original from Judges Guild and it is getting a bit worn. A new one would be great.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:35 pm

Well that's certainly encouraging to see... a PDF version converted to C&C would interest me a great deal!

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Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:57 pm

Same here. I understand the switch to 4e and all, even if I don't like it.

moriarty777 wrote:
Well that's certainly encouraging to see... a PDF version converted to C&C would interest me a great deal!

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:13 pm

Full color? Ick. Must be the Paizo partnership. Oh well. Might be the only time when I actually like a pdf.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:58 am

Interesting but making it 4e makes this a definate no-buy for me.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:54 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
Interesting but making it 4e makes this a definate no-buy for me.

Even with Necro providing 3E conversions? Melan said he would provide C&C conversions. Which is good considering he is the one that converted Tegal to 3E for NEcromancer. He won't be involved in the 4E conversions though.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:48 pm

Pretty much still a no. I'm having to trim my game buying habits and the first thing out of the buy list is any 4e and any 3e material. Also I've come to a decision not to support companies that don't support C&C.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:29 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
Pretty much still a no. I'm having to trim my game buying habits and the first thing out of the buy list is any 4e and any 3e material. Also I've come to a decision not to support companies that don't support C&C.

Understandable. I'm considering similiar decisions.

There is a more detailed post by Clark added to the linked thread late last night, so if you want to see actually page count and such look at the thread again.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:30 pm

Looks good. But these days I'd kill for a Savage Worlds conversion too.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:56 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
Pretty much still a no. I'm having to trim my game buying habits and the first thing out of the buy list is any 4e and any 3e material. Also I've come to a decision not to support companies that don't support C&C.

Thing is.. Paizo plans on doing C&C conversions support.

Hey, its $30 or so dollars for something that I think is pretty cool. I think I'll buy one myself for that.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:31 pm

Looking good!

"Tegel stats:

*July 2008

*Full color

*128 page soft bound (though Erik and I are considering hard)

*Fold out four panel map of the manor in color. All other maps internal.

*PDFs of mini-scale maps in full color will be electronically available (details not fully worked out yet).

*This is NOT a boxed set. It is one book.

*Stats will likely be in an appendix in the back. That will depend on 4E stat blocks and layout issues.

*This is NOT an elite or pricy product. I think it is $28. Not sure. Erik is setting the price based on other Paizo products of similar size and content. We are not going limited edition on this. There will be a lot of copies.

Clark "
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:56 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Thing is.. Paizo plans on doing C&C conversions support.

Hey, its $30 or so dollars for something that I think is pretty cool. I think I'll buy one myself for that.

If Paizo does the conversion I may be interested. I'd be more interested if a full on C&C version was made though.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:37 pm

I also have to say that the fact that Tegal is now 4E, makes it a zero priority for purchase. The C&C conversion would be nice... I'd even pay the same amount for it. But for 4E, bah!

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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:50 pm

Omote wrote:
I also have to say that the fact that Tegal is now 4E, makes it a zero priority for purchase. The C&C conversion would be nice... I'd even pay the same amount for it. But for 4E, bah!

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That strikes me as odd. Assuming you'd be willing to pay for a 3e version, why not pay for a 4e version, unless you planned on running it for 3e?

If you plan on running it C&C, why would the d20 version matter at all?

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:04 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
That strikes me as odd. Assuming you'd be willing to pay for a 3e version, why not pay for a 4e version, unless you planned on running it for 3e?

If you plan on running it C&C, why would the d20 version matter at all?

Could all come done to ease of conversions... since we know little of 4e, we may discover that it's harder to convert than 3.x is ...

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:13 am

Since Paizo has decided to go 4E with Tegal, my eagerness for the product has waned... along with the fact that it was announced liek 3 friggin' years ago. But that is besides the point. I know what your saying, but hearing about the 4E mechanics makes me think that covnersion work would be more of a significant challange then with 3rd edition.

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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:39 am

Omote wrote:
I know what your saying, but hearing about the 4E mechanics makes me think that covnersion work would be more of a significant challange then with 3rd edition.

That I can understand. Even with the talk of C&C conversions. Because, you know...those Pathfinder conversions they talked about have been helpful too.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:02 am

That's the thing for me lately. If I already own it and want to use it I will do the conversions. But buying a new product where they will have to be done or supplied in the ambiguous 'later date' isn't making me want to buy anymore. IMNSHO C&C has enough material out now to stand on it's own without bringing in other conversion needed material.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:13 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
That's the thing for me lately. If I already own it and want to use it I will do the conversions. But buying a new product where they will have to be done or supplied in the ambiguous 'later date' isn't making me want to buy anymore. IMNSHO C&C has enough material out now to stand on it's own without bringing in other conversion needed material.

Very true.

I am not too concerned with converting 4E either. With what I have seen/heard its going to be just as easy, if not easier, than it is to convert 3E.

Plus Melan is providing the C&C conversion for Tegal, not Paizo/Necroamncer, so he'll do it faster than they will.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:59 pm

Problem with conversion: requires original to use, so if you want the conversion, you buy the original, generally speaking, unless the conversion rewrites the module totally and provides everything. Hopefully, Tegel is a skeleton, and not some plot-driven muck.

Geleg · Post by **Geleg** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:16 am

I have no evidence to back this up, but I would bet a lot that the 3.5 stuff is already done. My bet is that Melan or somebody is having to (or will have to, once the SRD is released to NG) convert his 3.5 conversion into 4.0. My point is simply that I bet somebody has the 3.5 material ready to go right now.

Now the C&C conversion may NOT be ready yet.

All guesses of course,

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:07 am

Geleg wrote:
I have no evidence to back this up, but I would bet a lot that the 3.5 stuff is already done. My bet is that Melan or somebody is having to (or will have to, once the SRD is released to NG) convert his 3.5 conversion into 4.0. My point is simply that I bet somebody has the 3.5 material ready to go right now.

Now the C&C conversion may NOT be ready yet.

All guesses of course,

G

Melan has indeed completed the 3.5 conversion, and Clark verified that. Melan says he will do a C&C conversion, since he runs C&C, adn he also said he would have nothing to do with the 4E conversion.

He also said he did a very dedicated conversion of Tegel, and added very little, and changed nothing that he didn't have to.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:31 pm

So... just to clarify then...

Is this C&C conversion a 'stand-alone' product which will be made available (to purchase) in PDF format or will one need to have the 4E product to reference from?

As a stand alone product, I'll gladly pony up some cash to get it... If another component is required, I won't be.

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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:08 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
So... just to clarify then...

Is this C&C conversion a 'stand-alone' product which will be made available (to purchase) in PDF format or will one need to have the 4E product to reference from?

Apparently you need to buy the book. Which presents no problem for me, at least, if there's a free C&C download to go with it.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:23 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
So... just to clarify then...

Is this C&C conversion a 'stand-alone' product which will be made available (to purchase) in PDF format or will one need to have the 4E product to reference from?

As a stand alone product, I'll gladly pony up some cash to get it... If another component is required, I won't be.

Moriarty the Red

I believe Melan is providing the conversions, not NEcromancer, for C&C. NEcromancer is only supporting the 3E conversion PDF. At least thats what I remember reading.

I have the old JG Tegel Manor, it will be worth it to me to just have it done up with current full color production values for $30 or less.
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JRR · Post by **JRR** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:42 pm

I love Tegel Manor, but there's no way I'm buying a 3.5 conversion of a 1st edition adventure that has been converted to 4th edition just so I can convert it back to 1st edition again.
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