Interesting blurb on Paizo regarding 4E

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:57 pm

I know some of you keep up with these things but for those who are interested:

4.0: Paizo Still Undecided
http://paizo.com/store/byCompany/p/paiz ... LUNDECIDED

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:03 pm

They'll do it, in the end. They'll be forced to.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:26 pm

It's an interesting piece, but ultimately EM probably posted that to prod WOTC into making a move with Paizo. Personally, not being a huge fan of v3.5, I'd like to see what paizo could do with a v3.75. But in the long run, I've got the game for me and that is C&C. It makes for a fun soap-opera though, doesn't it?
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:45 pm

Omote wrote:
It's an interesting piece, but ultimately EM probably posted that to prod WOTC into making a move with Paizo. Personally, not being a huge fan of v3.5, I'd like to see what paizo could do with a v3.75. But in the long run, I've got the game for me and that is C&C. It makes for a fun soap-opera though, doesn't it?

Indeed it does! And I also agree with Serl... that in the end they'll be forced to it. However, if they also began to embrace other options (cough... cough... C&C...) they may not be in so much of a pickle when WOTC and Hasbro decide to flip the dial to another edition.

If they (either alone or with support of some other companies such as Goodman and NG) put out a 3.75 Book of Amendments, I'd buy it even though C&C is my number one game of choice.

Hmmm. I *like* the sound of that... 'The Book of Amendments'. Consider that book title trademarked.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:41 pm

Nobody has seen the terms of the 4E license yet. The terms may be unacceptable and force PAizo's hand. If the terms of the license are acceptable then I agree with Serl too.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:25 pm

While I believe paizo will eventually go 4e, I think they could be successful with a d20 knockoff 'Pathfinder" game.

Look at C&C. Its a successful niche market game. For Paizo, add their rabid fan base and the large amount of customers that WotC has left feeling alienated....

With some marketing, it could do some good business. They've got the talent and good production values.

However, I'd rather see them do 4e. I've got no interest in 3e. 4e is still an unknown, so even if its with a LARGE bit of skepticism, I'm hoping it may have enough redeeming qualities that I don't think it sucks out loud (I won't hold my breath though).

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:03 pm

I'd hope this leads to more and more notice of C&C and/or SIEGE based products. Maybe it is time for TLG to look at a SIEGE license of some sort, not like the OGL a bit more limited so they can have some quality control but open enough some companies have another option besides 3e or 4e.
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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:14 pm

C&C doesn't need an OGL like D&D3 did. D&D3 was wrapped up like some CCG where you had to collect 'em all to get those bad-ssed Feat combos or the newest character class.

What C&C could do that is better (imo) is combined campaign gamedays. Something like what D&D is doing here in Nov. (and where I got the idea ):

Picture about four tables with about four players each running through a dungeon. The same dungeon. Ever ran a dungeon on your players where there was an NPC party of adventurers that was sort of racing the players' party to the treasure? I have.

And in this way you can track the time for each party to get to the treasure room (in-game time). First ones there get the pick of the treasure. That and the oh-so-important bragging rights. Remember in the old days when guys would brag about how hardcore their DM was? Kinda like that.

D&D3 can't do this (easily). If different teams had access to different books that would certainly tip the balance. And to go through the (exhaustive) list of options as a DM saying "This is OK, this isn't." would scare away a lot of otherwise fine DMs to run the event. Bluntly, D&D3s size would work against it in trying to bring the community of gamers together on one dungeon. Not to mention that a lot of the new-waver players frown on dungeon crawls. "Why does a RPG have to have objective goals, can't we just role-play". (Oh, well. It takes all kinds)

As a matter of fact, I'm thinking I ain't letting D&D-Day be the only game day around here (it isn't, but thats not the point). I'm going to check into getting a Castle Day going.
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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:16 pm

Ooops. Hey lookee that ... two Charlie Rocks for the price of one.
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Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:10 am

I would like to see them try to sever ties with WotC completely, but I don't really care what they do anymore. I don't buy or play RPG's nearly as much as I used to, so it doesn't really affect me either way.

rabindranath72 · Post by **rabindranath72** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:09 pm

CharlieRock wrote:
C&C doesn't need an OGL like D&D3 did. D&D3 was wrapped up like some CCG where you had to collect 'em all to get those bad-ssed Feat combos or the newest character class.

I am going to defend WotC here (?!?!?!?). D&D 3.0 was not "designed" for shameless expansion, not more than AD&D edition was. In fact, I still remember several interviews to Peter Adkison, who many times said there would have been only the core books, to avoid following the same route of AD&D 2nd edition. A bit later, he left WotC and things went as we all know.

The market is a matter of demand and offer. You could run a perfectly good 3.0 campaign with just the core books. I did it for a while, and it worked well. Then I did not like the game as much as I thought I would, but it was a matter of tastes; I never felt "compelled" to buy other books to expand the game. But if there is a demand, the market answers.

Turanil · Post by **Turanil** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:12 pm

I am not concerned with Paizo doing their own version of D&D3.5, since I have discarded it. So, I won't care about any 3.75 out there, as much as I won't care about any 4e. What I would like to see is publishers producing more systemless material (adventures, settings, etc.), so players can use them with the game they like best.

BTW: I am glad to see Erik Mona tell that 4e is just a money-grab scheme by WotC/Hasbro.
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Barrataria · Post by **Barrataria** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:20 pm

CharlieRock wrote:
C&C doesn't need an OGL like D&D3 did.

That's correct because most of the players' handbook and all of the M&T are Open Game Content.

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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:24 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
I'd hope this leads to more and more notice of C&C and/or SIEGE based products. Maybe it is time for TLG to look at a SIEGE license of some sort, not like the OGL a bit more limited so they can have some quality control but open enough some companies have another option besides 3e or 4e.

*chuckles* Steve's got one. If people want to use the C&C logo's and indicate compatibility they need to go through him and work out the details. Thats his quality control. ^_~`
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Barrataria · Post by **Barrataria** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:56 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* Steve's got one. If people want to use the C&C logo's and indicate compatibility they need to go through him and work out the details. Thats his quality control. ^_~`

I thought YOU were his quality control
SIEGE and its mechanic are among the limited parts of the Players' Handbook that are NOT Open Game Content. That's called Product Identity, and it includes the company name, logos, etc. It's helpfully printed at the back of EVERY TLG product.

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Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:28 pm

I think they will eventually go to 4E, it's just a question of when.
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