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huds0n · Post by **huds0n** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:06 pm

This photo is floating around the net as the new Enterprise for Abrhams new Trek flick. It's unsure if it's legit or not? The teaser trailer for the new Trek film is supposed to be out in theaters sometime this month.
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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:42 pm

I'm skeptical, only because they only recently finalized the cast. Chris Pine only signed on in October. It must be in the early stages of filming.

But I have many concerns about this movie...

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:03 pm

There is no doubt that even though this is a prequel, there will probably be a tad bit of revision to it. You can't have the old ass models of the Enterprise in a new, all digital format. It's going to look a bit different.

As for this pic... eh, way to early to know for sure if this has anything to do with the next Trek flick.

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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Another possible source for the pic could be the Star Trek MMORPG that has been stalled in development since like last year.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:08 pm

I dont have a great deal of faith in this movie, but am eager to be proven wrong. As for the pic, who knows? I have seen some really brilliant 3dsmax work done by the fanbase and this could easily be one of those works.

jamesmishler · Post by **jamesmishler** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:05 pm

It might be from the new movie... they'd already be starting on pre-production visuals to get the sense of things for sure. It looks a lot like the remastered Enterprise from the Neo-Classic series, except for the glowing blue sections of the warp nacelles. It very well could be the Enterprise as under Captain Pike, before Kirk gets the ship, and then a refit closes over the glowing bits...
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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:28 pm

huds0n wrote:
This photo is floating around the net as the new Enterprise for Abrhams new Trek flick. It's unsure if it's legit or not? The teaser trailer for the new Trek film is supposed to be out in theaters sometime this month.

One thing I noticed is that they moved the turboelevator to the left of center, correcting a long-standing gaffe in the original series created for photogenic reasons. In the original series, the turboelevator is to Kirk's right on the bridge so when actors came on screen they weren't blocked by Kirk's head. Needless to say, it was too expensive to correct the model, so for 40 years the bridge of the Enterprise has been 36 degrees off center.

The problem with the design is that it looks too organic, in that it borrows far too much in design elements from the Next Generation. It's still recognizable as Matt Jefferies' original design, but the primary hull support pylon (the neck of the Enterprise) clearly draws its design lineage from the Next Generation. The warp engine pylons and the warp engines themselves bear the same design hallmarks. Despite that, I fully understand that the original design, while suitable for television, wouldn't work on the big screen. I just believe that the pylons should have been more "angular".

EDIT: Just found out that this isn't the Star Trek XI Enterprise. Look here. What is known is that James Cawley, of Star Trek: New Voyages is not happy with the final design, which he has seen, remarking that it seems more "contemporary Trek" than classic.
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Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:05 am

Traveller wrote:
One thing I noticed is that they moved the turboelevator to the left of center, correcting a long-standing gaffe in the original series created for photogenic reasons. In the original series, the turboelevator is to Kirk's right on the bridge so when actors came on screen they weren't blocked by Kirk's head. Needless to say, it was too expensive to correct the model, so for 40 years the bridge of the Enterprise has been 36 degrees off center.

Aw, jeez, Traveller, why did you have to go and do that? I've been trying to convince my friends that are lurking here that we aren't all geeks, and look at you, letting that geek flag fly.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:08 am

*shrugs* Doesn't matter. I'm not going to go see the movie. The movie series ended with Star Trek VII as far as I am concerned.
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:09 am

Harry Joy wrote:
Aw, jeez, Traveller, why did you have to go and do that? I've been trying to convince my friends that are lurking here that we aren't all geeks, and look at you, letting that geek flag fly.

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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:10 pm

Rhuvein wrote:

Sound the geekness horn!

Toot-totoot!

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AGNKim · Post by **AGNKim** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:12 am

Traveller wrote:
One thing I noticed is that they moved the turboelevator to the left of center, correcting a long-standing gaffe in the original series created for photogenic reasons. In the original series, the turboelevator is to Kirk's right on the bridge so when actors came on screen they weren't blocked by Kirk's head. Needless to say, it was too expensive to correct the model, so for 40 years the bridge of the Enterprise has been 36 degrees off center.

Wow... just, wow...

Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:39 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
*shrugs* Doesn't matter. I'm not going to go see the movie. The movie series ended with Star Trek VII as far as I am concerned.

But by saying that you are acknowledging that the last movie, Nemesis, happened. It didn't happen. Nope, no sir, nadda. Did... not... happen.

-Fizz

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:42 am

There were Star Trek movies after KHAN?!

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:46 am

Fizz wrote:
But by saying that you are acknowledging that the last movie, Nemesis, happened. It didn't happen. Nope, no sir, nadda. Did... not... happen.

-Fizz

Actually I didnt. Star Trek VII was Generations. The last appearance of Kirk.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:59 am

VI was the last Star Trek movie. Generations wasn't an ST movie. I had the ST name but wasn't Trek.
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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:09 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
Actually I didnt. Star Trek VII was Generations. The last appearance of Kirk.

Ooops, for some reason i misread it as XII and assumed Nemesis. The Next Gen movies weren't too bad, except for Nemesis which was just horrible...

No... didn't happen...

-Fizz

slimykuotoan · Post by **slimykuotoan** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:22 am

It's interesting they went bulky on the design.

Not to Anthropology anyone to death, but typically, structures tell us a great deal about culture. Pour example, in societies which trade, or represent wealth through tangible goods, structures tend to be flat and cover as much space as possible. The same with human styles -mostly seen in women- often regarded as possessions? ie. In certain cultures, you want to have fat children. (Look at the material resourses we have access to).

In systems which follow an abstract model of wealth (capital represented by abstract numbers on a screen, etc.) style slims down, and streamling comes in vogue, in everything from cars to toasters. Women begin to reflect this abstract wealth as well. ie. anoerxia nervosa is almost exclusively a western 'disease'.

So, starships in the seventies are big and bulky and cigar shaped, and those today get depicted more and more insubsantial, to the point of being almost ridiculous. Indeedy, sci-fis now have lighting so dim I can't tell where insubstantial ship begins, and barely visible crew end.

Anyhap, looks like they kept the streamlining, but bulked their new ship up, modelling it upon the older series without realizing the implications of style and cultureonni.

huds0n · Post by **huds0n** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:25 am

My Trek film list in order from best to worst:
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (find it hard to argue this)
Star Trek VIII: First Contact (By far the best of the Next Gen films. Picard+Borg FTW!)
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (often overlooked as to cerebral, TMP is a great film in its own right, and still has the best soundtrack of any of the trek films)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Double dumbass on you lol!)
Star Trek VII: Generations (yes the Kirk death sucked. But overlooking that and it's a pretty solid film. Plus how can you argue with Malcom MacDowell?)
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Good flick, just didn't do it for me for some reason. Hence its low position on this list)
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (Good idea, not so great film. Had it's moments, but overall pretty meh!)
Star Trek X: Nemesis (entire film felt forced to me. From the Picard son story line, to the way they "killed" off Data. Pretty weak way to end the TNG film run)
Star Trek IX: Insurrection (The whole Picard lead me people to out of Jerusalem story was just dumb. Pretty much nothing in this film is worth mentioning)
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (What's to be said here. By far away the worst Trek film to date. I don't even know what to say here.)
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:30 am

huds0n wrote:
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (What's to be said here. By far away the worst Trek film to date. I don't even know what to say here.)

I dunno, getting Spock to sing Row Row Your Boat had to be right up there with "Double dumb ass on you!"

Not to mention. "I dont think you realize the gravity of your situation."

"Gravity is very much on my mind, thank you."
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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:53 am

I'm mostly in agreement with your list huds0n, but i would put Nemesis at the bottom. It just violated so many precepts and character traits that TNG had established- and the Riemans? Please. Awful.

I'd put Country higher up. But uoherwise, pretty close to my assessment.

-Fizz

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:23 am

I can't really go best to worst but the better in my opinion was parts 1,2,3,and 6. 4 was ok and 5 was just about as good as Insurrection. When it comes to the TNG films I didn't like any of them except Nemisis. It felt like an old school Trek film to me. If I had to choose between TNG and original Series it would be original hands down. Though I did like DS9.

As for First Contact, I read Federation before watching it and felt that book was much better than the FC movie. Enough so that it ruined FC for me. This new one? A rental and nothing more. I don't expect much from it so hopefully I'll be pleasently surprised.

In the end I'm a believer that Star Trek died with Roddenberry. Rick Berman just pissed on the corpse.
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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:56 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
In the end I'm a believer that Star Trek died with Roddenberry. Rick Berman just pissed on the corpse.

Damn that's harsh. I think Berman did ok with the Trek series. He maintained the spirit that Roddenberry had created with TOS and TNG. The movies didn't have quite the same feel though.

-Fizz

Stuie · Post by **Stuie** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:14 pm

I'm willing to give the new movie a chance, mostly because I like most of what J.J. Abrams has done in the past.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:58 pm

Stuie wrote:
I'm willing to give the new movie a chance, mostly because I like most of what J.J. Abrams has done in the past.

I agree whole-heartedly with this statement. I'll be in theaters.

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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:11 pm

Back to the point about the Enterprise, why not use the original? Both TNG and DS9 were loyal to Trek style roots. Why not the movie?

In the TNG episode `Relics' (where Mr. Scott appears), the holodeck recreates the original bridge ("no bloody A, B, C or D" as Scotty puts it). And it's the bridge from the original. They didn't shy away from it.

In the DS9 episode `Trials and Tribble-ations', the whole crew finds themselves back on the original Enterprise, and they wear the real uniforms and everything. (Really fun episode btw.)

Finally, ST:Enterprise had an alternate-universe episode that had the original Constitution class ship and uniforms (in that case, it was the Defiant).

I'd love to see Abrams brave enough to stick to the original designs. You want a loyal bunch to come to the movie- that's how you do it, by paying homage to Treks roots, not by redefining everything.

-Fizz

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:31 pm

Fizz wrote:
In the DS9 episode `Trials and Tribble-ations', the whole crew finds themselves back on the original Enterprise, and they wear the real uniforms and everything. (Really fun episode btw.)

That could have been fascinating to see Spock and Dax get together. Could have been a real 'trill' for him... BAHAHAHAHHA!
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:37 pm

Fizz wrote:
I'd love to see Abrams brave enough to stick to the original designs. You want a loyal bunch to come to the movie- that's how you do it, by paying homage to Treks roots, not by redefining everything.

That might not be Abrahams plan at all... it's the studio who is putting up the cash for it who makes many of these decisions. This newest Trek film is the most expensive one to date... with that, there is a lot of responsibility PLUS, the studio is clearly looking new audience members (as well as the old schoolers).

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Fizz · Post by **Fizz** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:40 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
That could have been fascinating to see Spock and Dax get together. Could have been a real 'trill' for him... BAHAHAHAHHA!

Yes, i've used that joke many times myself. If memory serves, she actually had a crush on McCoy.

-Fizz

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:49 pm

Fizz wrote:
Yes, i've used that joke many times myself. If memory serves, she actually had a crush on McCoy.

-Fizz

McCoy.. "Well, Spock.. I understand what the two of you were doing, but whats the symbiont for? I'm a doctor, not an interspecies mating expert."
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