RPG Supplements you highly recommend for C&C

BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:38 pm

So what do you think?? What RPG books do you recommend that are useful for C&C?? I've heard Green Ronin has some good ones. Im interested in hearing your ideas.

Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:03 pm

I take it you're not after BD&D/AD&D books? Are we talking Adventure Modules or Campaign Source Books?

One of the best D20 books that springs to mind is A Magical Medieval Society - Western Europe by Expeditious Retreat Press.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:25 pm

Don't forget Book of the Righteous, by Green Ronin. The best 3E treatment on religion by far. Combine that with ideas from the 2E Faiths and Pantheons (and other book I don't remember the exact title of) and you have the best "tool boxes" for developing religions for your campaigns.

I have also come to realize that 2E kits are insanely easy to adapt to C&C, so I think all the 2E "Complete" books are worth having.

It would be easy to "narrow down" the recommendations if there are particular things you are looking for, because there are lots of fairly good things to use.
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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:14 am

D&D Rules Cyclopedia.

Palladium Weapon & Castle Compedium.

Riddle Rooms (CloudKingdom Games).

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slimykuotoan · Post by **slimykuotoan** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:21 am

Treebore wrote:
....Book of the Righteous...with ideas from the 2E Faiths and Pantheons and you have the best "tool boxes" for developing religions for your campaigns.

I so have to try these.

slimykuotoan · Post by **slimykuotoan** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:22 am

CharlieRock wrote:
Palladium Weapon & Castle Compedium.

Really curious about this as well.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:45 am

Matthew wrote:
I take it you're not after BD&D/AD&D books? Are we talking Adventure Modules or Campaign Source Books?

One of the best D20 books that springs to mind is A Magical Medieval Society - Western Europe by Expeditious Retreat Press.

I so concur... this is a great book. The Book of the Righteous is pretty good too and the same goes with the Palladium Weapon Books. The Weapon and Castle Compendium format is out of print currently but was reprinted in smaller books.

Other mentions:

As I've frequently echoed here, the Legends & Lairs series (by Fantasy Flight Games) have great stuff to mine from even though they are intended for d20. A few favorites of mine are Traps & Treachery I & II, Seafarer's Handbook, Cityworks, and Wildscape. The Toolbox by AEG is also fantastic.

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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:12 pm

Aside from some that have already been mentioned here, I heartily recommend Eldritch Sorcery by Necromancer Games to greatly expand the woefully small list of usable spells particularly for the Druid and Illusionist classes. Add to this my echo for Rules Cyclopedia, the FFG series of books, Toolbox by AEG, and the Gygaxian books by TLG (my favorites are World Builder, Living Fantasy and the ever-useful Extraordinary Book of Names).

Keolander · Post by **Keolander** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:40 pm

slimykuotoan wrote:
Really curious about this as well.

More weapons and armour than you could shake a stick at. Really good stuff. Lots of the internal artwork was done by Kevin Long.

As for me, I too have to go with the 2E 'Complete' books as well as 1st edition modules.
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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:05 pm

Goodman Games DCC material for more recently published stuff - certainly I have found the most use in all my old B/X and 1e modules.
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pactmaster · Post by **pactmaster** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:17 pm

I like the Goodman Games Complete Guide to... series for C&C, but really, most any fantasy supplement will do. I use material from the 1e era, Bard Games, the Atomik Grimoire from Precis Intermedia. Just about anything can be shoehorned into C&C.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:07 pm

I would like to use this thread as an opportunity to try and persuade any Troll that reads this to consider doing a product emulating "Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue".
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TheNewGuy · Post by **TheNewGuy** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:17 pm

Definitely The Book of the Righteous by Green Ronin for fantasy pantheon stuff. One of the best fantasy rpg books I've ever owned.

If you don't want to go shopping for a hardback copy, you can buy a PDF version from RPGNow -- the physical book is a beauty, though, with a painted cover that (for me, at least) has all the resonance of the classic D&D rulebook art, and then some.

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TheNewGuy · Post by **TheNewGuy** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:27 pm

slimykuotoan wrote:
I so have to try these.

Given your ongoing unhappiness with the C&C pantheons, slimy (only here could I call someone slimy and not start a fight), I really do think a copy of The Book of the Righteous is in your future.

As I said above, if the price of the hardback makes you pale, RPGNow has a PDF version for download. The physical book is a worthy product, though.

If, after reading TBotR, you're still not happy slimy, then that's Yahweh's way of telling you that you're destined to create your own home-brew fantasy pantheons from scratch ...

... and TBotR will help you there too. If nothing else, the book can be used as one gigantic template/guide to creating one's own fantasy pantheon, as the book already covers pretty much every pantheon aspect one would think of as a CK/DM -- and a few one wouldn't.

I sincerely hope it's what you're looking for,

TheNewGuy

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:39 pm

Well put TheNewGuy (and Treebore). The Book of the Righteous is the perfect book if you want to port in a whole, complete religious and deity system into your fantasy games. The book is well written, and quite different from other "god book" on the FRPG market. While different, it retains that classic feel to gods and religions in FRPG games IMO.

Though, the best aspect of The Book of the Righteous is that each religion is so, so, complete. Really, the book is that damn good.

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BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:16 am

Well a bit off topic but....

I just found 2 DVDs my friend gave me when he quit RPGs. It has a ton of PDFs/scans.All the D&D hardbacks,PHB1,2., DMG, MM1,2,3, FF, Dieties, Green Ronins Righteous and others, Savage Species,all Slayer's Guides to..., all the Quintessentials, Races of Stone, Faiths/pantheons,adventures,etc.about 150+ books.Also about 200 Dragon mags on disc.(I knew I got that from him) I don't know where he got it. Is it legal?? I know there are download sites. Sorry, Im not computer literate...

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:48 am

Eek!

That's a lot of material.

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Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:59 am

BLOOD AXE wrote:
...I don't know where he got it. Is it legal?? I know there are download sites. Sorry, Im not computer literate...

Ask him for receipts. That should let ya know. If you've got the receipts, you're golden. Otherwise, lock your doors.

CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:01 am

Goods&Gear: the Ultimate Adventurer's Guide (KenzerCo)

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:05 am

It could be legal... it might not be. My first PDF scan of a book I got was YEARS ago, bought and legal and possibly predated places like RPGNow! It was off a link of one of WOTC's pages, around the time they first made all those other PDFs of other material free. I can't remember the name of the service mind you. Do I have a receipt for that? Nope.

Bottom line, depending on the material in question, it may be very hard to tell. A good way to tell is if you happen to happen to have a PDF of something not available on PDF. However, judging on the sheer amount you seem to indicate, I think it's safe to assume a 'question of legality' concerning at least some of the files.

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Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:22 am

BLOOD AXE wrote:
Well a bit off topic but....

I just found 2 DVDs my friend gave me when he quit RPGs. It has a ton of PDFs/scans.All the D&D hardbacks,PHB1,2., DMG, MM1,2,3, FF, Dieties, Green Ronins Righteous and others, Savage Species,all Slayer's Guides to..., all the Quintessentials, Races of Stone, Faiths/pantheons,adventures,etc.about 150+ books.Also about 200 Dragon mags on disc.(I knew I got that from him) I don't know where he got it. Is it legal?? I know there are download sites. Sorry, Im not computer literate...

I'm not sure, Bloodaxe. Better burn me a copy and send it to..so I can be sure.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:32 am

Every time I have seen CD's like you describe they were all illegal downloads. I would get rid of them ASAP, especially if you receive any federal benefits.
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BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:13 pm

Well, I dont have a receipt, I was given the discs as a gift. I've lost contact with my friend, he joined the military & dissapeared. I thought he said he bought it on Ebay, Im not sure.

So I couldnt just burn a few copies for my friends for personal use? Just charging them for the discs/shipping, not for profit. Id like to share, but I dont wanna get in trouble either. Maybe real quiet...

Here is some of the stuff(not all);

dozens of adventures/modules(most I never heard of- not clasics like Against the Giants, or Keep on the Borderlands)

MM1,2,3; PHB1,2 ; Planescape; Arms/Armor; Manual of the Planes

FF; DMG1,2 ;Races of the Wild, Stone, Destiny, & Faerun

Monsters of Faerun, a bunch of Forgotten Realms books, Unapproachable East, Lords of Darkness, RPGS Greyhawk adventures, Green Ronin- Fiends, Races of Renown books, Book of the Righteous, Savage Species,

stronghold builder, Prestige classes, relics & rituals, Sword & Sorcery, Creature Collections, Tome & Blood, Song & Silence, Defenders of the Faith, Tome of Horrors, a bunch ofOriental Adventures stuff, Unearthed Arcana, Book of vile Darkness, Exalted deeds, Arcane magic, Divine magic, Faiths/Pantheons, Dieties & Demigods,Epic level, Enemies/Allies, Complete guides to Arcane, Divine, Warrior, Adventurer, Frostburn, Sword & fist, Psionics handbook, Pharoah, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, Bastion of broken souls, Forge of fury, Nightfang spire, Standing stones, Kingdoms of Kalamar, Draconomicon, Equipment guide, Mongoose publishing- Encyclopedia of Battle magic, lood magic, Constructs, Necromancy, Elementalism, Demonolgy, Familiars,etc.

Quintessential guides to- Dwarves, Kobolds, Fighters, Clerics, Monks, Bards, Rogues, Druids ,Illusionists, Wizards, Elves, and more ,etc.

Slayers Guides to Bugbears, Centaurs, Dragons, Giants, Derro, Winter Wolves, Harpies, Goblins, Gnolls, Demons, Hobgoblins, Trolls,etc.

and MORE..............

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:39 pm

BLOOD AXE wrote:
Well, I dont have a receipt, I was given the discs as a gift. I've lost contact with my friend, he joined the military & dissapeared. I thought he said he bought it on Ebay, Im not sure.

So I couldnt just burn a few copies for my friends for personal use? Just charging them for the discs/shipping, not for profit. Id like to share, but I dont wanna get in trouble either. Maybe real quiet...

Well, even if one were to assume that there were legal, it would be illegal for you to distribute them in the manner you suggest -- pure and simple.

If I buy the M&T in PDF form on RPG Now for example, it would be illegal for me to give a copy to a friend. Same goes for me photocopying my copy of the PHB for a friend -- this is also illegal.

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:50 pm

The best supplement: your brain. You won't need much else, assuming the one you have functions.

BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:45 pm

serleran wrote:
The best supplement: your brain. You won't need much else, assuming the one you have functions.

Well, you know what they say about "assume". I hear ya loud & clear!

Its just a shame...some of these books are hard to get, or expensive or both. Alot of people could use 'em. Oh well. Don't wanna get in trouble. Do see stuff like this on Ebay much? (pdfs,etc.)

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:14 pm

Yes, they come up all the time, and they usually go away just as quickly, as eBay tends to shut those auctions down.

Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:01 pm

Just to be clear, O was joking when I said you need to burn me a copy.

I'm no lawyer, but it sure seems to be illegal to me.
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papercut · Post by **papercut** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:09 pm

Well it is def illegal for him to give it to you. But there is something to say about the material they released as free pdfs. It might be difficult to find out which ones were distributed this way though. I suppose WOTC did not give a perpetual license to distribute the material, but they might not have specified either way.

I think it is a grey area for personal use, but you shouldn't try to distribute it. On a side note for people who want all that material for free, you can go look in the usual places and you can find it. Paizo is also a wonderful resource and pretty cheap as is.

BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:33 am

OK, I'll be good. At least I have alot of books to look through.