Domesday #2 Call for Submissions

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:13 am

And here is a perfect example of what can be done for a Domesday submission -- a write-up about the Crusades, possibly detailing a way such might be integrated into a campaign setting, ramifications, and whatnot. There does not need to be a single mention of rules, at all, only "war has these effects, both on the local population and market, and on those directly affected: the 'foreigner' who is invaded." These kinds of things would easily have gone into Dragon (when it was in print and before it became a rules-hound), and is precisely the type of stuff I would love to see in Domesday... that was one reason the weather article and the one on the black trade were so awesome: they gave you only what was needed to make it useful, yet did not give too much so you felt restrained.

I don't know what else to say right now. I'll be having a talk with Steve as soon as possible, though, to see what can be done.

I only want the Society to be proud... of its members, but especially of itself.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:18 am

seskis281 wrote:
Edit:

Ok, one of those times I wrote something and got too cynical.
Anyway,

I only really want to say that Robert's intention with this new Domesday Book is just what he's said -- and what anyone thought or wanted it to be based on earlier preconceptions really isn't as important as what we make of it here and now....

So as for the idea of making it "neutral" (i.e. "fluff" oriented), hey, won't that make it a good thing to share with anybody out there? From C&Cers to LA enthusiasts to 3.xers to (gasp) 4e'ers?

Ok - that's my thought.

My thought is that there has been too many false starts and stillbirths with the Society as a whole. Does anyone even remember the domains members were supposed to get based on the size of the group? When the officers were decided on or how long it's been since we heard Steve was making an announcement 'any day now'?

The Trolls have been doing well getting their production schedule handled but have seemingly dropped the ball on this. I begin to wonder if they even know what they want to do with it. If they don't that's fine. A plan needs to be made and enacted or the whole thing dropped or spun off into something else.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:22 am

As a postscript: I'm not trying to be argumentative or snarky. I just know the potential of the Society and all related. I'm just upset with the delays and such going on with it.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:27 am

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Does anyone even remember the domains members were supposed to get based on the size of the group?

Yes, I remember. It was, originally, intended for a sort of game that would be played out, sort of like a mass PBEM wargame. The idea still exists, but has been slightly modified as the structure for such a thing is beyond the time available to do - it is now a function of the "gestalt world."

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When the officers were decided on or how long it's been since we heard Steve was making an announcement 'any day now'?

Yes, I remember the officers, and have them recorded. There has not been anything needed of them, so they have not been called upon. There was much to resolve before the Society could even stand again, and that has been, mostly, accomplished. There is still much to do.

The mentions of Steve making an announcement are my fault. I do it in hopes of prodding him to say something, though he is often too busy to be able to, being loaded up with other things like ensuring there is a C&C product line.

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The Trolls have been doing well getting their production schedule handled but have seemingly dropped the ball on this.

Steve and the other Trolls have never had an active part in the Society, so they ave dropped nothing - it has always been up to the Seneschal, who was Fiffergrund, and then Brian Miller, and now Me, to do what could be done. Each, until now, bowed out due to the amount of work required and personal reasons, which is completely understandable. The ball dropped, as it were, because I moved it to a new court -- I felt a break from the before was needed to give the Society something it had not really had: a start.

So, if anyone is to blame, lay the weight on my shoulders. I have failed.

sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:28 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
Does anyone even remember the domains members were supposed to get based on the size of the group?

I do!
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Lords and Ladies of the Kingdoms of Aenoch and Ethrum.

List of 6 items

King Edward the Golden, The Duke of Sac

Coburg the Undying, Lord of the Red Tower

The Archbishop ZagygTM

Lords Paladins, Serleran, Peter, Clayton and Lesuit

Priestess Rayne Caerwick

Marshalls of the Society, Sieg, Fiffergrund, Josh & Breig

list end

A Prince Palatine, those who hold in fief 18 or more Manors, with 5 Allodial Manors and a Great Castle, with 17 or greater Knights or Dames

List of 1 items

Prince Palatine Martin of Dracus, Lord of the Order of the Dragon

list end

The Dukes, those who hold in fief 15-17 Manors and a Great Castle, with 13-16 Knights or Dames

List of 1 items

Duke Omote Landwehr, The Holy Order of the FPQ

list end

The Margraves, those who hold in fief 11-14 Manors and a Great Castle, with 10-12 Knights or Dames:

List of 10 items

Margrave Fiffergrund of Shotwick Manor, Marshall

Margrave Rooks of the Range

Margrave Craddock of the Council of Fire

Margrave Falconer of Andora's Box

Margrave Williams of South Jersey

Margrave Corin of Devonshire

Margrave Michael of the Shrouded Wood

Margrave Scadgrad of Braxus

Margrave Mapes of Velanor

Margrave Norad of Amazdon

list end

The Earls, those who hold in fief 9-12 Manors and a Great Castle, with 7-9 Knights or Dames:

List of 7 items

Earl Sieg of the Emerald Fire, Marshall

Earl Breig of Stone Creek, Marshall

Earl Geilman of Luddville

Earl Ruch, Minion of Arioch

Earl of the Bloody Magi

Earl Todd, Lord of Rook

Earl Gustasson of Catherine Isle

list end

The Barons, those who hold in fief 9-12 Manors and a Lesser Castle, with 4-6 Knights or Dames

List of 24 items

Legio VIII Audacissima Victrix

Knights of the Prophet

Baron Christopher, Lions of the North

Baron Hensley of Holdfast

Baron Melan of the City State of Khauran

Baron Steven Ward Lord of the Crusaders

Baron Breen of the Order of the Phoenix

Baron Cuchulain of Temerion

Baron Tatro of Six

Baron Lunsford of Southron

Baron Halls, of the Keepers of the Saphire Run

Baron Moore of Ten (The Throng of Ten)

Baron Jackal of Greymoor

Knights of the Silver Arch

Baron Glass, Knights of the Eastmark

Baron Mance, of the Two Fisted Monkey

Baron Lassiter of Castle Walls

Baron Gilroy of Iffrab

Baron of the Sourthern Marsh

Baron Fletch and the Five

Baron of the Ivory Brotherhood

Barony of the Shrouded Wood

The Eternal Champions

Barons of the Diddlies

list end

The Lords and Baronets, those who hold in fief 5-7 Manors and a Keep, with 2-3 Knights or Dames

List of 19 items

Lord Stefan of Eord

Lord Darick of Maeldor

Knights of the Silver Arch

Order of the Dancing Scimitar

Lord Glass of Elsewhere

Lord Mance of De Equites Vulgaris

Lord Battles of Glitterhame

Knight West of Outremere

Lord Ries of the Peasants of the Rings

Lord Snaebjorn of Skogsgardr Keep

Lord Bezio of Grubby's Gals

Lord of the Bloody Magi

Ahmed Brothers

Company of the Dark Horse

Lords of Kunkel

Knights of the Pugent Sound

Lords of Hungerford

Order of the Drunken Tiger

The Eldar Kings

list end

The Knights, those who hold in fief a single Manor or fortified Moat House

List of 25 items

Josh of Chewning, Marshal

Michael of Stygia

David of Teur Sool

Mikesell of the Conclave

Mucchiello of the Pale Hand

Albanis, Knight of the Round

Rients the Hooligan

Finerion Longwinter

Snyder, Dragon of Carlisle

Moore of the Istvarian Imperial Society

Jarvis, Knight of the Dark Harvest

Bruce of Barrataria

Bob, Lord of Evil

Merlock

Orichalcum Shield

The Hammers of Staajland

The Halflings Heirs

Oizmir Y'Gevpick

Order of the Phoenix

Outcasts

Orcs of the Wilderlands

Dungeon Delvers

Dragon Warriors

Company of the Broad Sword

Blue Drakes

list end

There are some 275 other assorted individual Knights.
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Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:30 am

sieg wrote:
In America a Master's student does a Thesis, while a PhD student does a Dissertation. So, your "Thesis" would be a Dissertation here; for a PhD. At least, that's how History PHDs are. BTW, most PHD Dissertations are around 300-400 pgs here...big but no match for the several volumes of Gibbons Opus!

Right you are. It is the reverse here. A dissertation is about 10,000 words. I did two as an undergraduate for my bachelors and one as a postgraduate for my masters.

sieg wrote:
For the Knights of St. Mary, the warriors who were brought to fight in the holy land at the time wer the nucleus of the order. They are considerred on the Fourth Crusade because they were gathered under the same Papal Bulls that gathered the overall Crusade. Only they went to the Holy Land, while most of the others got schnookered by the Venetians into sacking Constantinople (1204).

So, they are part of the Fourth Crusade because they were part of the overall movement. They didn't go in one big rush you know!

Of course not, but just in case we're not connecting here's what was published in your article in Crusader #6: "The Order of the Knights of Saint Mary, commonly referred to as the Teutonic Knights", were formed in the Holy Land at the beginning of the Fourth Crusade in 1189."

I don't think you really believe the Fourth Crusade began in 1189!

serleran wrote:
And here is a perfect example of what can be done for a Domesday submission -- a write-up about the Crusades, possibly detailing a way such might be integrated into a campaign setting, ramifications, and whatnot. There does not need to be a single mention of rules, at all, only "war has these effects, both on the local population and market, and on those directly affected: the 'foreigner' who is invaded." These kinds of things would easily have gone into Dragon (when it was in print and before it became a rules-hound), and is precisely the type of stuff I would love to see in Domesday... that was one reason the weather article and the one on the black trade were so awesome: they gave you only what was needed to make it useful, yet did not give too much so you felt restrained.

Sounds like a great idea.

serleran wrote:
I only want the Society to be proud... of its members, but especially of itself.

Indeed.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:39 am

serleran wrote:
Yes, I remember the officers, and have them recorded. There has not been anything needed of them, so they have not been called upon. There was much to resolve before the Society could even stand again, and that has been, mostly, accomplished. There is still much to do.

I know for myself I would have liked to have been involved in some of this. I don't know about the others but I feel we would have been ready to help get a structure up and going and not leave this on your shoulders alone.

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The mentions of Steve making an announcement are my fault. I do it in hopes of prodding him to say something, though he is often too busy to be able to, being loaded up with other things like ensuring there is a C&C product line.

Understood. Though I would have hoped they would have touched on this by now.

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The Trolls have been doing well getting their production schedule handled but have seemingly dropped the ball on this.

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Steve and the other Trolls have never had an active part in the Society, so they ave dropped nothing - it has always been up to the Seneschal, who was Fiffergrund, and then Brian Miller, and now Me, to do what could be done. Each, until now, bowed out due to the amount of work required and personal reasons, which is completely understandable. The ball dropped, as it were, because I moved it to a new court -- I felt a break from the before was needed to give the Society something it had not really had: a start.

So, if anyone is to blame, lay the weight on my shoulders. I have failed.

That is understood. And for one person you have done a great job. More than I could have done. But again, I have to ask that isn't it time the rest of us (officers) were involved to keep this a bearable burden?
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:50 am

Matthew,

Well, as far as I'm concerned the gathering of various pilgrim forces along the Rhine states and the Palatinate in order to go "Free the Holy Land" and "Give Succor to the King of Jerusalem" had them arriving in the Holy Land in 1189. This Papal call across Europe did develop into what was called the Fourth Crusade, though the only major action (other than relieving Acre) was the force that overthrew the Byzantines.

For comparison, just because the Allies invaded Normandy in 1944 doesn't mean that Dieppe didn't happen. Or Massena/Anzio.
Feel free to continue this via PM or another thread as I'm leery of derailing this discourse on the future of the Society.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:52 am

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But again, I have to ask that isn't it time the rest of us (officers) were involved to keep this a bearable burden?

Certainly. But, here lies a problem: two of the five Officers, not counting myself as an Officer, are absentee. Both are for good cause, but it makes them unable to act as Officers, and therefore, they either need to be "replaced" temporarily (or permanently as the case may be) or their "duties" shifted.

If either you, or Omote, both of whom are still active Officers would go over both C&CS websites (the one directly linked on the new website and the old one) and provide, to me, notes on what you think needs to be changed, that would be greatly appreciated. I have had some time to do this, and have sent in what I wanted changed, but the more eyes looking, the better.

There is also the matter of Regional Conventions -- with "con season" in full force soon, this is not a likely high priority, but we need to discuss it. How, where, what, and everything. This is of ultimate importance as it ties directly into what I was hinting at before....

And, lastly, if someone wanted to take over maintaining the C&CS Roster, or developing a more accurate one (complete with number of players and geographic region of group) that would be amazing. I can give out the password to the Society email - I just ask that spam is deleted, and that the password is not changed (nor are any other settings in the account) so that I can still go in and make announcements to members as needed.

And, this is just to start on what I need help with.

Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:52 am

sieg wrote:
Feel free to continue this via PM or another thread as I'm leery of derailing this discourse on the future of the Society.

Okay. Private Message away!
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:22 am

serleran wrote:
Certainly. But, here lies a problem: two of the five Officers, not counting myself as an Officer, are absentee. Both are for good cause, but it makes them unable to act as Officers, and therefore, they either need to be "replaced" temporarily (or permanently as the case may be) or their "duties" shifted.

If either you, or Omote, both of whom are still active Officers would go over both C&CS websites (the one directly linked on the new website and the old one) and provide, to me, notes on what you think needs to be changed, that would be greatly appreciated. I have had some time to do this, and have sent in what I wanted changed, but the more eyes looking, the better.

There is also the matter of Regional Conventions -- with "con season" in full force soon, this is not a likely high priority, but we need to discuss it. How, where, what, and everything. This is of ultimate importance as it ties directly into what I was hinting at before....

And, lastly, if someone wanted to take over maintaining the C&CS Roster, or developing a more accurate one (complete with number of players and geographic region of group) that would be amazing. I can give out the password to the Society email - I just ask that spam is deleted, and that the password is not changed (nor are any other settings in the account) so that I can still go in and make announcements to members as needed.

And, this is just to start on what I need help with.

Send me the links and I'll look them over. I'm not sure what to do about the rosters yet.
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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:26 am

As you know, I am fully ready to keep doing layout on the newsletter in whatever shape it continues (and I truly hope we don't shelve it or give up on it, not after one release, which I thought was pretty solid).

I am also likely to be able to do more during the summer if you need more help - looks like my second summer course isn't going to make enrollment and my wife is going to have surgery (after LGGC thank god!), so I will have a lot of free time sitting around the house while taking care of her (last time this scenario unfolded I wrote my entire Ilshara setting in approx. 3 weeks).

So, yeah, I freely volunteer to help as much as possible.

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Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:51 am

I am also willing to help out anyway that I can.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:56 pm

For anyone willing to help make the website better:
New version
Old version

Thanks.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:08 pm

After just a glance I have a couple of suggestions.

1) The domesday book should be a direct download off the Domesday portion of the site.

2) Obviously the rosters need to be updated with the officers of the society and contact information presented. As well as a dedicated contact link for registration ind the society. I'll look it over in more detail as time permits.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:58 am

You have something en route.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:51 pm

Thanks, all. I have collected what has been submitted. We are still missing some reviews, if anyone would like to do a couple. Also, if anyone would like to look for gamers or whatever, here is one place to do that.

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:12 pm

I will review Chimera's Roost and the CZ Expansions (Town Halls and Moat Gate) that I have so far.

If anyone else wants to add one (I'm especially thinking Engineering Dungeons) please send on to Serl.

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:19 pm

I'm trying to get my review for the CK Screen / Golden Familiar finished up. I would love to do the Engineering Dungeons review for either this issue or issue 3. Having done the core books, doing the screen, it kind of makes sense if I continued reviewing those products which are not specifically adventure modules.

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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:46 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
I'm trying to get my review for the CK Screen / Golden Familiar finished up. I would love to do the Engineering Dungeons review for either this issue or issue 3. Having done the core books, doing the screen, it kind of makes sense if I continued reviewing those products which are not specifically adventure modules.

M

Absolutely.

I think it would also be cool if anyone out there who is an LA officianado might submit some reviews - say of The Rock or other current mods, and of the LRFAP when it comes out. (Rakin perchance?)

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:49 pm

I've just had another idea for an article series:

Dealing with Dragons - Game Mastery Advice

It's purpose:

Give general advice on how to deal with certain situations, like cheating players, powergamers/munchkins, and others that routinely come up and are a stumbling block for even the most experienced gamer, but especially for the new gamer...

Each issue can cover a different topic and be written by someone else.

What say you? Anyone want to give it a try?

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:58 pm

serleran wrote:
I've just had another idea for an article series:

Dealing with Dragons - Game Mastery Advice

It's purpose:

Give general advice on how to deal with certain situations, like cheating players, powergamers/munchkins, and others that routinely come up and are a stumbling block for even the most experienced gamer, but especially for the new gamer...

Each issue can cover a different topic and be written by someone else.

What say you? Anyone want to give it a try?

Excellent idea. C'mon Treebore.... you know you love to give advice!

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