Will TLG do 4e?

Telhawk · Post by **Telhawk** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:11 pm

Like anyone's going to be surprised by this, but my interest in pretty much anything 3.0 and afterward is zero to nil. My brother - whom we'll refer to here as Arkon - did try the game out a week or so ago with a group of friends, and pronounced it pretty much what we'd been expecting: a video game with paper and plastic.

I'm not going to start the flame wars up, because I wish all the best to those who find succor in 4.0 (and all those iterations that are to follow), but I can say this with every ounce (Canadian: gram) of certainty: It ain't for me. I don't want a video game, I want a story. AD&D 1 and 2.0 gave that to me, with no complaints or caveats; and now - thank you very much, Messers Chenault, Doyel and Golden - C&C does the same.

I'll keep the periforal vison on what's happening in WoTC's neck of the woods - after all, it's always interesting to see what's going on in the neighbour's backyard - but I can't see it going anything beyond the anecdotal story over a beer on the porch. Keep it going, TLG - I'll be supporting this system for as long as you see fit to publish.

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:44 pm

I only purchased the 4E phb because a friend is running the game weekly. So far, we've played one session with another scheduled next Monday. I didn't have much of a chance to peruse important chapters of the book(so my game play knowledge was limited). That may have partially affected my overall experience. Then again, I've been so enamored of games like Savage Worlds(for most genres), and Castles and Crusades(for fantasy) that I just don't care anymore. Unless, (and this is unlikely) D&D 4th's new system ends up being sh*t on a stick. Welcome to the forum, FASA Fan. My friends and I used to play Star Trek and Doctor WHo back in the free and easy 1980's. Tried to play a little of those games again in the late 90's, and found the system to be sort of clunky. Great source material for both ST and DW, but the system just seemed a little bogged down in spots. I'm not certain how we played it in the 7th-12th grade years. Either way, great memories of both. Back to the actual topic of TLG and 4E, I'd prefer they stay on course with C&C as it is, StarSiege, and LA(even though I have yet to purchase anything from that line). You guys did well during the 3 and 3.5 years seemingly, and I think more will drop from the 4E ranks. Maybe not hundreds of thousands, or millions, but some here and there. All of that said, I'm not harshly judging D&D 4th. I've only read some of the phb, and played one session. It's too early to say. If I end up disliking it...no big loss. I've got my Sav Worlds and Castles and Crusades!

Keolander · Post by **Keolander** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:21 pm

Well, as I've said before, I'm gutting 4E for spare parts for Castles & Crusades. I liked the Warlock and Warlord, so they're gonna be converted.
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:06 pm

I haven't done anything with the Warlock, Warlord, or any of the new races at this point. Just playing the standard Halfling rogue. I've heard mixed reviews about the Warlord. Some say it sounds good on paper, but not as satisfying in play. Can't speak to that at all, however.

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:42 am

The Warlord / Rogue in my game team up for some great effect. The Warlord uses his abilities to control the movement of enemies and position them favorably, allowing the rogue to backstab the hell out of them.

The warlord is more of a support class than a super effective frontline fighter. His abilities are pretty sweet. Or my group thinks so anyways. He naturally slipped into the role of the party leader and his class abilities help the rest of the party shine in combat.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:39 pm

Galbrechin wrote:
I would have zero interest in anything 4e

Eric the Cavalier agrees with this statement.

So do I.

FASAfan · Post by **FASAfan** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:38 pm

tylermo wrote:
Welcome to the forum, FASA Fan. My friends and I used to play Star Trek and Doctor WHo back in the free and easy 1980's. Tried to play a little of those games again in the late 90's, and found the system to be sort of clunky. Great source material for both ST and DW, but the system just seemed a little bogged down in spots. I'm not certain how we played it in the 7th-12th grade years. Either way, great memories of both.

Agreed about the system and agreed about the "fluff" (I prefer FASA's Star Trek to Paramount's, lol). The system really shows its age. The AP system's unsalvagable and the skill resolution system was incomplete. I spent way too many hours trying to "fix" the skill resoultion system before I realized it's already been done: d20 system, given that on a very basic level, d20 is d100 divided by 5. I could go on and on...

...but before I hijack this thread even further...

...focus on C&C, LA, and StarSIEGE!!

BTW I'm liking StarSIEGE's skill bundles...!

Buttmonkey · Post by **Buttmonkey** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:38 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Eric the Cavalier agrees with this statement.

So do I.

Yeah, but Eric the Cavalier is a tool whose "coolest" item is his freaking shield. The only thing lamer than Eric is the fact that I know these things about him.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:23 pm

Buttmonkey wrote:
Yeah, but Eric the Cavalier is a tool whose "coolest" item is his freaking shield. The only thing lamer than Eric is the fact that I know these things about him.

Man, what's up with the Eric hate? Someone had to be the voice of dissention the party, or there'd be no intra-party struggle, no man vs. man conflict.
All those kids were tools. Dungeonmaster's plot to rein in his rebellious kid, Venger, using the kids was interesting to say the least...oh, sorry for the minor threadjack...I'll shut up now.
U...Yeah, burn 4e!

The Highway Man · Post by **The Highway Man** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:38 pm

I'll echo many posters here, but I, too, have zero interest in anything 4E TLG would come up with. Let's concentrate on C&C and Castle Zagyg!

Hear the manuscripts beg to get their chance at hitting our shelves!

daddystabz · Post by **daddystabz** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:52 pm

I actually play and really enjoy 4e. To each their own.
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The Highway Man · Post by **The Highway Man** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:02 pm

Quote:
I actually play and really enjoy 4e. To each their own.

I read most of the rules, and if I'm not exactly enthralled by it, it certainly is a sound game system. I'm sure that with a motivated DM I would have a great time playing it.

No, I was just saying that for me TLG is about C&C primarily. I would have no interest in 4E products from the trolls basically, but would rather have all these shiny "TBA" products on TLG's website hit the shelves ASAP.

sieg · Post by **sieg** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:15 pm

To echo the Highway Man (welcome BTW), regardless of how much people do or don't like 4E...AFAIC, there will be NO lack of 4X publishers for the foreseeable future. How many C&C ones? 3-4 tops?

So, TLG should emphasize C&C first and the Siege games second...and leave supporting WizBro's game to others.
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Indigo Rose · Post by **Indigo Rose** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:32 pm

I think Eric the Cavalier was pretty cool, personally-- and not just because Ralph from Happy Days did his voice (although that certainly doesn't hurt)! If anyone was lame in the group, it was Shiela who was always scared and wanting to hide from everything... and don't even get me started about that annoying Uni.

Eric rocks! We now return you to the original point of this thread. I also agree that TLG should not spend any of their time or money on 4E product, unless they simply have nothing better to do with their extra time. I rather doubt this will ever be the case, so go C&C and Siege engine product!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:37 pm

I'm considering, personally, doing something 4e... simply because it will likely be the market holder, and what better way to attract customers to your entire product line than to reach out to every customer you can? But, I am not TLG, and have no real plans in motion other than stupid crazy thoughts. So, it probably won't happen.

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:51 pm

I think I forgot to mention Castle Zagyg and the possibility of new C&C-fied versions of the GFW books on the "TLG needs to focus on" list. Love the Zagyg material!

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:52 pm

I think I forgot to mention Castle Zagyg and the possibility of new C&C-fied versions of the GFW books on the "TLG needs to focus on" list. Love the Zagyg material!