Codex Gerwhatia?

Pat Payne · Post by **Pat Payne** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:39 am

Stats are less important to me than mythos information: mythology, worship, rainment, favored weapons -- and one thing that a lot of mithoi books (both real-world mythological deities and game-specific dieities) fail to do, which is give guidelines on what kinds of spells the gods will and will not grant to their respective clergy.

dachda · Post by **dachda** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:40 am

Pat Payne wrote:
Stats are less important to me than mythos information: mythology, worship, rainment, favored weapons -- and one thing that a lot of mithoi books (both real-world mythological deities and game-specific dieities) fail to do, which is give guidelines on what kinds of spells the gods will and will not grant to their respective clergy.

I agree this is the sort of stuff I'd like to see too.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:22 am

Get a copy of the Complete Priest's Handbook (for less than $5 too), combine it with the pantheon of whatever setting you are using and viola!

I just think that if the trolls go the route of this book it needs to be ground breaking in some way. Otherwise its only meh...

The subject matter is overdone.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:38 am

Rhuvein wrote:
So . . .

What I would really love to see from Mr. Jim Ward (an excellent fellow by the way - in spite of what Tom Wham says about him . . ) would be ~
Science Fiction Adventure!!!

Yep, Metamorphosis Alpha meets StarSIEGE.

And a sci-fi adventure from Jim could easily be used with Gamma World, Mutant Future, Traveller and maybe even WHFRP!!!

Metamorphosis Alpha SIEGE edition.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:10 am

voynich wrote:
let me walk down memory lane, a bit, unless i am mistaken.

originally, this was to be a fused work of brothers chenault and rob kuntz.

later, it was to be the work of chenaults, alone.

later still, mike stewart (also known as sieg.)

and after the seeming dropping of the gygaxian fantasy series, one might think the ex-serleran would contribute something, since work had seemingly begun on lejendary pantheons (perhaps it is not all lost?)

but now, it has shifted to jim ward. or, so it seems.

interesting. i would like to hear more about this project. are all the movements of authors due to shifting work so the castle keeper's guide may see the end of a tunnel?

News to me. Looking forward to more info myself...!
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voynich · Post by **voynich** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:15 am

not to be rude, please, but may i present a link as evidence?
link and it is the third post down. by the way, there is at least one post by you in said thread.

it was a long time ago, so i would not expect a memory to just pop out. i found it by accident in my recent diggings on these boards.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:39 am

If the C&C version of this book was done just like the BOOK OF THE RIGHTEOUS, then I bet most of you who are not interested would change your minds. That book is amazing.

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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:48 am

voynich wrote:
not to be rude, please, but may i present a link as evidence?
link and it is the third post down. by the way, there is at least one post by you in said thread.

it was a long time ago, so i would not expect a memory to just pop out. i found it by accident in my recent diggings on these boards.

Oh no, Voynich; you misunderstand. When I said "news to me", I meant that the project being moved from my MS to Jim Ward's was "news to me".
Though I don't doubt Jim Ward will do a bang-up job with the project though...
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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:09 am

Actually Sieg the movement was innocent on my part. I had forgotten I had assigned that to you. But truthfully there's a bit more on your plate than most of us: Castellion series, mid-level adventures, CKG, Crusader, forthcoming Demons and Devils book (with serleran) and the dieties book (again with serleran).
I forgot to call you tonight, i'll shout at you tomorrow.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:13 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
Now one that lays out temples, holy days, how specific clerics work in the faith ( And rules for such), the laity Pantheon and deity specific spells as well as game info (not stats) would be a fresh new take on it. Also remember the book only has to be accurate for the game, not history.

This is why I mentioned "Book of the Righteous". It is THE definitive work on religions in a D&D game. Better, IMO, then the awesome 2E books with all the Specialty Priests. Combine the cool elements of those books with Book of the Righteous and it will set a new standard of awesomeness.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:18 am

I dunno. Even if it was 10 kinds of awesome, I doubt I'd get it. I'd no sooner use a priest of Odin in my fantasy settings than I would a Paladin of Jesus.

A quasi-historical micro setting? yeah. But fantasy worlds? No.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:20 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Get a copy of the Complete Priest's Handbook (for less than $5 too), combine it with the pantheon of whatever setting you are using and viola!

I just think that if the trolls go the route of this book it needs to be ground breaking in some way. Otherwise its only meh...

The subject matter is overdone.

Hmmm. I'll have to read that one over again, I don't remember it being that awesome.

DD, have you read "Book of the Righteous" by Green Ronin? I would think giving BoR treatment to all the pantheons of the real world would be frikkin awesome!!! Combine it with the cool elements from the Faerun Avatar/Specialty Priest books and I think it would definitely be groundbreaking.

Stay away from stats and even 4E die hards could be persuaded to buy them.

I agree deific, and even avatar stats are not needed. I am in the "mortal fights god, mortal dies" school of thought.

The only kind of stats I would like to see are those that explain why one God rules over the rest, or why gods fear each other, etc...
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:22 am

Treebore wrote:
DD, have you read "Book of the Righteous" by Green Ronin? I would think giving BoR treatment to all the pantheons of the real world would be frikkin awesome!!!

Again, nope. Same as my last post.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:23 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
I dunno. Even if it was 10 kinds of awesome, I doubt I'd get it. I'd no sooner use a priest of Odin in my fantasy settings than I would a Paladin of Jesus.

A quasi-historical micro setting? yeah. But fantasy worlds? No.

You do know that the island on the world map of Airhde in the north western corner (actually a few inches to the right of the left upper corner) is the island where the whole Norse Pantheon lives, right? If you don't know this you need to read the folio. Not to mention the island to the east where the whole fey kingdom lives, ruled over by Wenefar. So I would love to see a write up of Fey Mythology in the series too. Early on in the series.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:25 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Again, nope. Same as my last post.

OK, so what is your underlying problem about these pantheons? Odin, Jesus, etc...
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:25 am

Treebore wrote:
You do know that the island on the world map of Airhde in the north western corner (actually a few inches to the right of the left upper corner) is the island where the whole Norse Pantheon lives, right?

Ever see any of my posts that say I'm not the biggest fan of Airhde?

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:27 am

Treebore wrote:
OK, so what is your underlying problem about these pantheons? Odin, Jesus, etc...

That I'd rather have fantasy dieties in a fantasy world. That and the fact that most real world religions aren't all that well represented by the cleric class.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:31 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Ever see any of my posts that say I'm not the biggest fan of Airhde?

True, but you like Faerun don't you? Numerous real world deities in that setting, from at least a half dozen pantheons.

So I guess your saying you would like to see Greyhawk deities, or the deities done up in Book of the Righteous. None of them are real world deities, other than being interpretations of them.

I guess maybe you might like Book of the Righteous after all, if you just want them to be purely fantasy world creations.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:34 am

Nah, not a fan of FR neither.

I did state earlier in the thread that I wouldn't mind seeing the Airhdian Pantheon and the Haunted Highland gods getting the treatment though. That at least has some originality in it.

There's already a huge amount of works on real world pantheons and it is past stale.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:54 am

Some optional rules on on "Specialty priests" of each pantheon would be cool. Nothing too crunchy, though - that would be against the nature of the game. I'd love to see most/all of pantheons of Deities & Demigods covered...at least the ones you could do legally.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:58 pm

After thinking about this-even though I want to see this-I would probably stick with my default church I have used for years. A vague backdrop with no real depth since religion never gets very detailed in my games.

So buy it? Possibly.

Use it? More than likely not.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:18 pm

I think my biggest problem in using real world pantheons is that it kills my sense of immersion in a fantasy setting. It is like finding out the neighboring kingdom to the Duchy of Karbosk is France.

Derivative deities, given a new name and modified to fit the setting itself don't bother me in the slightest, as it doesn't throw a speedbump into my immersion. But the whole copy & paste deal irritates me and has been done ad nauseam.

So, why would I buy a book that I dont need, (I own Deities & Demigods) and I wont use?

I'd prefer to see TLG's creative efforts go into more worthy products.