Random Musing About C&C/AD&D

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:04 pm

Exactly, DD. Sometimes I wish I never went away from 2nd Edition. It accomplishes just about everything 3e does, but still allows for the DM adjudication on a lot of things that 3e put a lot of rules to. C&C goes back that direction, which I think a lot of the AD&D feel comes from. Using some of the mechanics from d20, and the SIEGE engine, in an effort to unify the die rolling conventions was a pretty good idea, IMHO.
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papercut · Post by **papercut** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:44 pm

DD,

In the west Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Well actually it was a Swedish girl in Truth or Consequences New Mexico, but that is close enough. On the 4th day of July no less.

I'm hammered but that is a shoot! The best shooters come from Texas ya know, just look at the Von Erichs, Funks, and Malenkos!
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papercut · Post by **papercut** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:44 pm

DD,

In the west Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Well actually it was a Swedish girl in Truth or Consequences New Mexico, but that is close enough. On the 4th day of July no less.

I'm hammered but that is a shoot! The best shooters come from Texas ya know, just look at the Von Erichs, Funks, and Malenkos!
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Relaxo · Post by **Relaxo** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:40 pm

papercut wrote:
DD,

In the west Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Well actually it was a Swedish girl in Truth or Consequences New Mexico, but that is close enough. On the 4th day of July no less.

I'm hammered but that is a shoot! The best shooters come from Texas ya know, just look at the Von Erichs, Funks, and Malenkos!

WTF?!

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:55 pm

Papercut is done hammered on some Sapporo!*
* Just a theory.

-O
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Zebulon · Post by **Zebulon** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:18 am

Eisenmann wrote:
I can't go back to AD&D. Not that it's impossible mind you, but I wouldn't find it enjoyable.

+1
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Kayolan · Post by **Kayolan** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:23 pm

-1? +1? sort of pointless (admittedly, like this post)...

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:26 pm

+1 Long Sword, +2 vs. magic-using & enchanted creatures.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:36 pm

I can go back to BECMI, 1E and 2E. Plus 3E for that matter. I just couldn't stay there. Like LD, C&C allows me to have that right combination, that I have to create for myself, that keeps me in my "RPG Happy Place" the longest.

I mean, when I say, "I love C&C!" I really mean, "I love C&C with all my rules tweaks in place!" Which is exactly what a lot of the design intent behind C&C is. They give you a basic game, and you change it into your perfect game.

So I love C&C because it has been the perfect base line that I am using to turn into my perfect game. Plus its been a fun learning experience to take things from various games and figuring out how to adapt it to the SIEGE system, see how well it works, and re-balance it, and write it to be easier to understand, etc... Plus to learn to step back and honestly critique yourself, which is a tough thing to do.

Now I did do this with every edition of D&D, I've always had pages of house rules. Its just that with C&C, it all just comes together perfectly for me. Its truly my "One system with which to bind them all."
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:00 pm

I think the main thing that keeps me bouncing back and forth between C&C and AD&D is the very thing that most folks here love about C&C.

Ascending AC and BtH.

I know it's odd but it drives me nuts. Like I'm prone to saying, I hate big numbers when I'm gaming.

THAC0 and BtH work on the same principal, just differ on the methodology. THAC0 hides the big numbers and I like that. But, I can deal with BtH without getting too bugged by it, where it really irritates me is saving throws as the game gets higher in level.

Where C&C wins me though is the rendition of several of the classes I really, really like. Also, it's an in print system so that means I get shiny new books.

I'm not real big on thinking it's more adaptable than AD&D though. I've long used attribute checks in AD&D much the same way you can use the SIEGE engine in C&C.