Got $5,000 lying around?

dachda · Post by **dachda** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:33 pm

Get this:

Dungeons & Dragons - Original Woodgrain Box Set (1st Edition, 1st Printing) at Noble Knight Games
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:54 pm

I love this game, and the hobby, but no where NEAR that much! Even if I had $5,000 laying around I wouldn't use it on that. I would buy a couple of quad runners or something.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:39 am

Yeah, they've had it for sale for quite some time now. I'd love to get it, just not at that price.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:00 pm

What a f*****g joke. For as good as everyone says NKG is, it all comes down to the cash. I think that's horribly overpriced and I'd never pay that much money for it. Good luck to someone who does!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:06 pm

There were a very limited number of them made, and it is increasingly difficult to find them in complete state, making the supply limited... yet, not diminishing the demand. Therefore, well, economics.

It is not worth that amount, hence its failure to sell. If it were dropped to $3500, it would probably sell immediately.
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Eisenmann · Post by **Eisenmann** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:20 pm

If it's overpriced then they won't sell it. If they do sell it then it isn't.

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:28 pm

So far, 6 months of not selling it.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:33 pm

DangerDwarf wrote:
So far, 6 months of not selling it.

This.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:34 pm

I've met the man behind Nobleknight in person, and while I'm not positive about this, some of the bigger ticket items he may have are in his personal collection. When I inquired about purchasing one of these items, and working on the price a little bit (the price was very, very high), he made mention that if somebody wanted to buy them for the stated price, then he would gladly sell the item. If nobody purchased it, he (and I'm quoting here) didn't mind at all.

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:41 pm

That is fairly common practice since it acts like advertising -- "here, see what I have? If I have this, I probably have everything else you want, too."
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Eisenmann · Post by **Eisenmann** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:08 pm

Wise move on his part.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:59 pm

Eisenmann wrote:
Wise move on his part.

Opinions vary.
It may be an unwise move, too.

If someone opens that link and sees that item for that price, it is possible that one might think, "Damn...that dude probably overprices everything." Then it becomes a first impression that NKG overprices things. Just my to cents.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:04 pm

And NKG pricing has been irking me lately.

OOP stuff pricing on some items that, while I'd gladly pay for a NM copy, I'd sure as hell not pay for a Fair copy.

And with the Halls of the Giant King dungeon tiles. The 4e Dungeon Dleve product made a lot of use of those tiles...they are out of print. NKG had buttloads of copies of the tiles though and was charging 3x the regular price. I already had a tile set so didn't need one, but the blatant price jacking irritated the hell outta me.

Hrolfgar · Post by **Hrolfgar** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:09 pm

If i won the lottery for $100m+ I wouldn't pay that much or even close.

My badly beaten 4th printing would still be good enough for me.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:23 pm

DangerDwarf wrote:
And NKG pricing has been irking me lately.

OOP stuff pricing on some items that, while I'd gladly pay for a NM copy, I'd sure as hell not pay for a Fair copy.

And with the Halls of the Giant King dungeon tiles. The 4e Dungeon Dleve product made a lot of use of those tiles...they are out of print. NKG had buttloads of copies of the tiles though and was charging 3x the regular price. I already had a tile set so didn't need one, but the blatant price jacking irritated the hell outta me.

Halls of the Giant King is OOP already?

And wow. That's just bad business. I've always hated the "oooh, it just went out of print...let's snap up the copies and jack the hell outta the price" attitude, but damn.
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Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:39 pm

Hrolfgar wrote:
If i won the lottery for $100m+ I wouldn't pay that much or even close.

Same here.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:57 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Halls of the Giant King is OOP already?

Yeah, WotC has always only done single print runs of their tiles it seems. That particular set was a pretty nifty one and guess folks snatched them up quick (with them being the first "official 4e ones I can see why i guess).

But yeah, it irritated me when NKG did over a 300% mark-up.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:08 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Yeah, WotC has always only done single print runs of their tiles it seems. That particular set was a pretty nifty one and guess folks snatched them up quick (with them being the first "official 4e ones I can see why i guess).

But yeah, it irritated me when NKG did over a 300% mark-up.

Interesting. Tiles were the one thing I continued to collect - they're edition-neutral, so I figured, "what the hell." Sucks to hear that NKG's got the dollar signs in their eyes, as it were.
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Deogolf · Post by **Deogolf** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:58 pm

Happens all the time with stuff! It can be irritating, but I've learned to deal with it. While it's really cool, I just don't need it.

Besides, if they don't sell it, it will come down in price eventually. Or make them an offer and see what they say. All they can say is, "no" - doesn't hurt to ask.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:17 pm

The prices on NKG don't really bother me that much. I've spent more money buying gaming material through NKG than I did on ebay last year. Same goes for the year before. Their shipping rates are genearlly better, they are faster, and I've *NEVER* had an issue with anything coming damaged because of how things are packed and sent. Service is good and with the occasional sales and good exchange rates, I will sometimes get a better deal ordering new things through them than trying to get a local game store to get it for me.

Are certain things over priced in my opinion? Sure... then again, there are things that are fantastically priced. Regardless, it's nothing more than an opinion. If I had $5000 just kicking around and doing absolutely nothing (probably back to that lottery scenario), would I buy it? Sure... why not?

The truth is, I'll most likely NEVER have $5000 just doing nothing. Always bills to pay... always other things that more worthwhile to buy. If you really have disposable income, it doesn't matter that the price tag is rather high since it shouldn't be something you'd notice if it was gone.
I don't have any of original D&D books. Even my Holmes book is the Silver Anniversary reprint. The 'oldest' D&D product I own are the Basic and Expert sets (Moldvay) followed by some AD&D 1st ed material.

I'd love to have a set of the original D&D set... the 6th print OCE edition would be just fine. When they do come up on ebay, they either don't ship to Canada or are asking for too much so it hasn't happened yet.

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Eisenmann · Post by **Eisenmann** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:11 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Opinions vary.
It may be an unwise move, too.

If someone opens that link and sees that item for that price, it is possible that one might think, "Damn...that dude probably overprices everything." Then it becomes a first impression that NKG overprices things. Just my to cents.

Anything is possible but the question is about probability. I'm pretty sure that no one is equating a rare item such as this one to say The Riddle of Steel core book. And what are the odds that someone is going to get a first impression by seeing that item first? The probability is pretty slim.

If it's hurting his bottom line (which is highly doubtful) then as a wise businessman he'll change the price. If not then he'll likely be forced to change it for economical reason. The market determines worth not NKG. Not even if it's the last copy on earth.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:04 am

Eisenmann wrote:
Anything is possible but the question is about probability. I'm pretty sure that no one is equating a rare item such as this one to say The Riddle of Steel core book. And what are the odds that someone is going to get a first impression by seeing that item first? The probability is pretty slim.

If it's hurting his bottom line (which is highly doubtful) then as a wise businessman he'll change the price. If not then he'll likely be forced to change it for economical reason. The market determines worth not NKG. Not even if it's the last copy on earth.

I;m not trying to be argumenative, sir, but I think the probability isn't slim. Not at all. Look at the responses here on this very thread. Many of them were 1) suprised an item is selling that high, but 2) not really that suprised considering who was doing the selling. Now, point #2 is not a factor, considering many/most know of NKG and are aware that some items of his goes a little higher than the should. But remove that point - that someone knows who he is - and you have a good chance to have someone not know who/what NKG is and be taken aback at the price. Hell, I was taken aback and I've been well aware of NKG for many a year.

I agree with those that say it's probably from his personal collection and that he's just throwing the item out there for that stupid a price, to see if he can get a bite. If not, no harm is done to him. If so, he now has an idea of what might become the standard for 1st printings OD&D box sets (and can adjust subsequent sets accordingly).

And you're right, the market does determine the price, not NKG. Or is that right? Scrye went out of business not long ago because (allegedly) eBay was dictating the price of Magic singles, and the "market" was rejecting the Scrye's attempts to standardize the Magic singles market. So was eBay the market all along? Is NKG a major representation of the collectable RPG game market? If not, then who is? Who knows, I'm merely speculating. But I'm not acting out of conceit when I say I think my original are valid.
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Eisenmann · Post by **Eisenmann** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:40 am

http://www.nobleknight.com/ViewManuf.as ... oryID_E_12

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:56 am

Lord Dynel... are think people are more likely to be not surprised when certain select items sell for a high price.

However, let's consider some of the typical prices from an average first edition AD&D module. Condition does play into the price but when it comes to grading, things can be pretty subjective. That said, buy and item which is NM from NKG and the same from an auction on ebay and in both cases, there are a few things that you can bet on:

You order from NKG, you will get your module. It will be in the condition described and you know exactly how much it will cost you in the end. Shipping is done in a way that protects your purchase, will be as economical as possible, and will ship within 24 hours of the purchase.

You order from ebay, and you'll probably get your module if you win the auction. Or you'll probably get the module if you choose the more expensive 'Buy Now' option if made available. As to the 'probable' part, that really comes down to the seller. Depending on the seller, the description may or may not be accurate, may or may not be exactly as described, and may or may not be from a collector that can tell the difference. It should ship soon enough but it won't be guaranteed to ship within 24 hours or even the first few days since a lot of people selling on ebay do it on the side. Worse yet, you are not sure how much you'll end up paying for an item because of the auction process from collector and idiot alike.

Both have their advantages mind you but I've seen more problems with ebay that through NKG. Actually, I lied. I haven't seen any problems with NKG. You don't like the price, well you certainly don't have to buy it. But like any store... you'd be foolish if you didn't shop around. If the prices were out of whack, it shouldn't take long for them to falter. In this case they seem to have thrived and grown.

Just sayin'...

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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:13 am

moriarty777 wrote:
Lord Dynel... are think people are more likely to be not surprised when certain select items sell for a high price.

However, let's consider some of the typical prices from an average first edition AD&D module. Condition does play into the price but when it comes to grading, things can be pretty subjective. That said, buy and item which is NM from NKG and the same from an auction on ebay and in both cases, there are a few things that you can bet on:

You order from NKG, you will get your module. It will be in the condition described and you know exactly how much it will cost you in the end. Shipping is done in a way that protects your purchase, will be as economical as possible, and will ship within 24 hours of the purchase.

You order from ebay, and you'll probably get your module if you win the auction. Or you'll probably get the module if you choose the more expensive 'Buy Now' option if made available. As to the 'probable' part, that really comes down to the seller. Depending on the seller, the description may or may not be accurate, may or may not be exactly as described, and may or may not be from a collector that can tell the difference. It should ship soon enough but it won't be guaranteed to ship within 24 hours or even the first few days since a lot of people selling on ebay do it on the side. Worse yet, you are not sure how much you'll end up paying for an item because of the auction process from collector and idiot alike.

Both have their advantages mind you but I've seen more problems with ebay that through NKG. Actually, I lied. I haven't seen any problems with NKG. You don't like the price, well you certainly don't have to buy it. But like any store... you'd be foolish if you didn't shop around. If the prices were out of whack, it shouldn't take long for them to falter. In this case they seem to have thrived and grown.

Just sayin'...

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Yeah, mort, I know what you're saying. And I'm not saying that NKG is not a better option, generally, than eBay. I was referring to seeing that one item as one of the first things one would see offered from NKG and the impression that might bring, especially if they shopped around after seeing it.

These kind of places are usually higher than you can find on eBay, for the reasons you mentioned. The items are usually in better condition, packed better, and these places are usually better "sympathetic" toward the gamer than sellers on eBay. In return, you pay a little higher (in most cases) than you would buying on places like eBay (usually - prices on eBay can get crazy, too). I'm not saying that eBay or elsewhere are better options than NKG - I was simpley referring to one item and the fact is is very overpriced, and what that might do to those who only exposure is seeing a wildly overpriced item such as this.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:17 am

Personally I bid in the auctions Noble Knight puts up on eBay, like now. Best of both worlds.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:17 am

Eisenmann wrote:
http://www.nobleknight.com/ViewManuf.as ... oryID_E_12

http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/rares.html

There was actually a set sold in '06 for higher than NKG is selling his...by only $100).
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:36 am

Treebore wrote:
Personally I bid in the auctions Noble Knight puts up on eBay, like now. Best of both worlds.

Good to hear, hoss!

Look, for the record, I don't hate NKG. I've never had a bad experience from them, nor am I going into business for myself in the collectable RPG market. I did say I didn't like some of the practices they adhere to - like jacking up the prices of recent oop itrems. And I also said that to them it comes down to cash, which is also true, considering they wouldn't be in business if they weren't trying to make money. Honestly, they're not guilty of anything any other seller online wouldn't have been guilty of - trying to get the most out of they're product.

My point was simply that seeing one item, what some may feel overpriced, could very easily give the wrong first impression of the company as a whole. I also get a little incensed when I see efforts to make an exorbatant amount of money off gamers and this hobby...but that's me.
So, if I offended any fans of NKG, you have my apologies.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed May 27, 2009 10:18 am

Lord Dynel wrote:
Good to hear, hoss!

Look, for the record, I don't hate NKG. I've never had a bad experience from them, nor am I going into business for myself in the collectable RPG market. I did say I didn't like some of the practices they adhere to - like jacking up the prices of recent oop itrems. And I also said that to them it comes down to cash, which is also true, considering they wouldn't be in business if they weren't trying to make money. Honestly, they're not guilty of anything any other seller online wouldn't have been guilty of - trying to get the most out of they're product.

My point was simply that seeing one item, what some may feel overpriced, could very easily give the wrong first impression of the company as a whole. I also get a little incensed when I see efforts to make an exorbatant amount of money off gamers and this hobby...but that's me.
So, if I offended any fans of NKG, you have my apologies.

Well, you weren't offending me, I rarely order from Noble Knight. Usually only once per year.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed May 27, 2009 10:23 am

Treebore wrote:
Well, you weren't offending me, I rarely order from Noble Knight. Usually only once per year.

Well, it was more a blanket statement, good sir.
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