A dilemma...

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:32 pm

I've just recently discovered Castles and Crusades, and I am quite pleased with what I've seen. I've been playing D&D since 1e AD&D, and 3.5 started to wear on me a bit. I'm looking at Pathfinder as an alternative, and while it seems pretty good it still isn't exactly what I'm looking for. 4e is out of the question.

C&C looks like just the thing.

Only I see that a 4th printing of the Player's Handbook is coming out soon. Do I wait for that? How soon will it be here? Or should I simply give way to my impatience and buy the 3rd printing so I can start playing?

The prices are so good I may just buy the 3rd and then the 4th when it comes out. Any suggestions from the forums? If the 4th printing comes out two days after I buy the 3rd I'll feel like an idiot.

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:37 pm

The 4th print will have some major revisions to the barbarian class, additional spells for illusionists, and other information. It will be going up slightly in cost actually, 24.95 I believe.

From what we are given to understand, this puppy has gone to the printers and is imminent (pre-orders are open on it), so unless something has gone drastically wrong with it my advice is to just pre-order or wait the coupla weeks or so on 4th print....

_________________
John "Sir Seskis" Wright

Ilshara: Lands of Exile:
http://johnwright281.tripod.com/

High Squire of the C&C Society
www.cncsociety.org

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:39 pm

Ah...great news. Thank you!

$24.95 is still a great price compared to much of what is out there, and I really like what I've seen from the C&C rules thus far. Thanks for the information.

I'll wait for it

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:39 pm

Steerpike wrote:
I've just recently discovered Castles and Crusades, and I am quite pleased with what I've seen. I've been playing D&D since 1e AD&D, and 3.5 started to wear on me a bit. I'm looking at Pathfinder as an alternative, and while it seems pretty good it still isn't exactly what I'm looking for. 4e is out of the question.

C&C looks like just the thing.

Only I see that a 4th printing of the Player's Handbook is coming out soon. Do I wait for that? How soon will it be here? Or should I simply give way to my impatience and buy the 3rd printing so I can start playing?

The prices are so good I may just buy the 3rd and then the 4th when it comes out. Any suggestions from the forums? If the 4th printing comes out two days after I buy the 3rd I'll feel like an idiot.

It should be available after Gen Con. Soft cover copies are supposed to be available at Troll Con this week.

I would wait.
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:43 pm

Thanks. Great news.

Well I just bought the 3rd printing PDF for $9.99 and I'm going to introduce my group to the game this weekend. I'll get the print version of the 4th printing, and hopefully my group will be enthusiastic and get their stuff as well.

Thanks, guys. Looks like a great system and I am looking forward to it!

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:47 pm

Steerpike wrote:
Thanks. Great news.

Well I just bought the 3rd printing PDF for $9.99 and I'm going to introduce my group to the game this weekend. I'll get the print version of the 4th printing, and hopefully my group will be enthusiastic and get their stuff as well.

Thanks, guys. Looks like a great system and I am looking forward to it!

Welcome! Just remember that the default answer is "YES!" in C&C. Yes, you can try that, make a siege check.... Many systems seem to have the default answer of "NO, unless...". No, unless you have that feat/trait/skill, you cannot try that. In C&C, your PCs are always one SIEGE roll away from a heroic act

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:48 pm

Thanks Breakdaddy. I will keep that in mind. The C&C philosophy looks like just the thing for me. I find 3.5e got too unwieldy, and like you said there was too much 'No, unless..." The mechanics at some point get in the way of the game. Tried some 4e games and let me just say I was not favorably disposed to it at the end of the day.

So I came across C&C and thought, "Yes, this is what I've been looking for." I'm eager to put the system to the test and see how it plays out at the gaming table .

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:59 pm

Like BD says, the SIEGE engine replaces all of the feats, if you wish it too. Generally, I use the HD of opponents as the default CL for any "feat like actions". When it comes to spells, I generally use 3+spell level for any meta magic CL's. Still, for things like changing energy types, the CL is simply spell levels in my games.
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:59 pm

You know... I always like hearing these kind of things when a gamer comes to discover the game. On the one hand, for many it is the game they already know how to play but on the other, the little differences it holds often is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the other systems that are around.

M
_________________
"You face Death itself in the form of... 1d4 Tarrasques!"

Partner to Brave Halfling Publishing
http://www.arcanacreations.com

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:07 pm

Weclome to the great 4th Crusade (as in 4th printing of the PHB), Steerpike! May the serfs of your fief fall under the spell of the Castles & Crusades rules.

~O
_________________
> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff <
Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:18 pm

Steerpike wrote:
Thanks Breakdaddy. I will keep that in mind. The C&C philosophy looks like just the thing for me. I find 3.5e got too unwieldy, and like you said there was too much 'No, unless..." The mechanics at some point get in the way of the game. Tried some 4e games and let me just say I was not favorably disposed to it at the end of the day.

So I came across C&C and thought, "Yes, this is what I've been looking for." I'm eager to put the system to the test and see how it plays out at the gaming table .

Glad to hear it! Like Tree and the other guys that run games here, I like to encourage players to think, imagine, and try anything their characters could reasonably accomplish in the game. The more heroic and improbable the higher the challenge level of the check. But with a little encouragement and good flavor/description on both sides of the screen, these moments can become magical.

Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
Welcome! Just remember that the default answer is "YES!" in C&C. Yes, you can try that, make a siege check.... Many systems seem to have the default answer of "NO, unless...". No, unless you have that feat/trait/skill, you cannot try that. In C&C, your PCs are always one SIEGE roll away from a heroic act

Well said, I need to impress this upon my players.
_________________
Never throw rocks at a man with a Vorpal Sword!

Aladar · Post by **Aladar** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Welcome to the Crusades Steerpike.

I am a former 3.5er myself, who has found C&C to be a much better match to the type of play I want to invoke.

The hardest part about changing over to C&C, was getting my players to "unlearn" what they had been used to in 3.0/3.5. Once that was done, they grew to love C&C.
_________________
Lord Aladar

Warden of the Welk Wood

Baron of the Castles & Crusades Society

The Poster formerly known as Alwyn

Senior Gamer - Member of the Senior RPG Tour

"NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT - At least not in Yu Gi Oh"
http://www.cncsociety.org/

Relaxo · Post by **Relaxo** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:55 pm

I'd download the primer/quickstart rules from trolllord.com and buy the 4th printing later this summer.

but I'm a cheap bastard.
welcome aboard!

DeadReborn · Post by **DeadReborn** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:53 pm

I ordered the third printing and found out the next day that a fourth printing was coming out. Luckily, I didn't have the money to also order M&T, so I wound up getting the current print. Anyways, welcome to the Crusade, Steerpike!
_________________
But dark is the path appointed for thee:

The Dead watch the road that leads to the sea.-The Two Towers

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:02 pm

Hi. If all you want to do is play, there are Quick Start rules available.
_________________
If it matters, leave a message at the beep.
Serl's Corner

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:06 pm

Thanks, everyone.

My group is going to be playing C&C for the first time this Saturday. I am looking forward to it!

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:12 pm

Steerpike wrote:
Thanks, everyone.

My group is going to be playing C&C for the first time this Saturday. I am looking forward to it!

Let us know how it goes!

CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:11 am

What part of Missouri are you in, Steerpike? There are a lot of us Show-Me Staters in these forums come to think of it.

Edit: I'm in KC area.
_________________
The Rock says ...

Know your roll!

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:44 am

Hey Charlie - I live in Boonville (about half hour west of Columbia), but I work in KC at the moment. Nice to meet you.

Troll Lord Games

A dilemma...

A dilemma...

Re: A dilemma...