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Inkpot wrote:
now it's New Line's turn.

Maybe they have. It seems the dispute is over how the films receipts or profits or whatever are calculated.
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Maybe they have. It seems the dispute is over how the films receipts or profits or whatever are calculated.

Hmm...I honestly don't know. Seems pretty cut and dried to me, but then I'm just a poor s*hmu*k who's never had more than 4k in his bank account at any one time. The rick folks must have different rules.
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Hmm, Peter Jackson has made over "quarter billion dollars?" That's a nice paycheck (obviously he got a percentage of box office).

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Not sure if you said that in response to my post or not, Omote, but I don't see as how him having made a quarter billion (even though it's an OBSCENE amount of money) makes New Line's obligation any less. I guess I see it as if my boss were to come up and inform me that he's already payed me alot of money already, so he's not obligated to pay me what I'm owed.

The amount that New Line has already paid is irrelevant, in my opinion. If they signed a contract promising to pay Mr. Jackson a certain percentage, then they are legally obligated to pay that percentage regardless of how much it adds up to. Of course, this is all speculation on my part. I have no idea what agreements were, or weren't made. And to be fair, I'm not so sure that there isn't a certain amount of greed involved on Mr. Jackson's part, either. However, it *was* his vision, his directing ability, and his special effects team that made the movies a commercial success in the first place.

I dunno....I'm rambling now. Must...stop....typing..... =)

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However, it *was* his vision, his directing ability, and his special effects team that made the movies a commercial success in the first place.

Yeah, but he funded it with other people's money and New Line distributed and marketed it. In the end, it was their investment. Of course, his beef all rests on what their arrangement was.

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Yeah, but he funded it with other people's money and New Line distributed and marketed it. In the end, it was their investment. Of course, his beef all rests on what their arrangement was.

I understand your point, Orpheus, but one could just as easily argue that it was Mr. Jackson who gave them a polished product to distribute and market in the first place. We could go back and forth on this one forever.
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Not sure if you said that in response to my post or not, Omote...

This post wasn't in response to your post at all Ink. Just plain observation. The enormity of such money just hit me. And I totally agree, if NEW LINE agreed to PJ X, they should pay him X. No questions asked.

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Hmm, Peter Jackson has made over "quarter billion dollars?" That's a nice paycheck (obviously he got a percentage of box office).

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Wow. Yes that's a FAT paycheck for a completely unkwown director who is suddenly rich and famous (thanks to the studio and producers who gave him the job).

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Jackson or the studio head for that matter. This is all about greed and money.

If Jackson shuts his mouth, he could have stepped into the next movie and everybody would make tons of cash.

I smell the stink of lawyers, giving Jackson bad advice (hoping for a chunk of the cash).
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I thought this lawsuit was all about new line "fudging" box office numbers on Fellowship and Jackson found out. Am I wrong on this?

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I thought this lawsuit was all about new line "fudging" box office numbers on Fellowship and Jackson found out. Am I wrong on this?

You are not. PJ thinks he is owed more money based on Fellowship's box office success. Newline disagrees. Now, as expected, the lawyers are involved.

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mordrene wrote:
I thought this lawsuit was all about new line "fudging" box office numbers on Fellowship and Jackson found out. Am I wrong on this?

Well, this is being alledged and yeah, if it's true then certalnly that's a bad thing. But, I'm wondering how much money are we talking about here? If they're are quibbling over a couple or several million, it hardly seems worth it. The costs involved to recover don't seem to me to be worth the trouble. And it's not just a monetary cost.

The cost to the parties involved from a reputational standpoint. Even if one party prevails over the other, all will suffer, IMO. The fans are not going to be happy. This whole thing just looks nasty.

Now, if the fudging turns out to be a lot of money, then Jackson should certainly be compensated, but again it's not going to be good for all parties.

Jackson stands to make multi-millions if he were involved in the Hobbit, so I'm still curious about why the risk to collect and go through a giant lawsuit. It just looks bad.

Finally, unlying all this is . . . ticket prices. All these millions generated in part by ticket prices from movie goers. WTHeck, and now the greedy bastards (all involved) are going to fight over the money.

I've long ago stopped going to the box office to pay high prices for movies and then when this kind of thing happens, it just pisses people off, big time.

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Yeah, I know what you mean, Rhu. I *very* rarely go to the movies anymore. Unless it's a big event like the LOTR movies were. I saw each of them on opening day because....you just *have* to see movies on this scale on the big screen.

But on average, why in the world would I pay $7-$8 + beyond ridiculously expensive snacks to see a film in a crowded, noisy theater, when for 99 cents and *maybe* $5-$10 in snacks, I can sit on my well-padded a**e at home and watch it there?
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mordrene wrote:
I thought this lawsuit was all about new line "fudging" box office numbers on Fellowship and Jackson found out. Am I wrong on this?

Well, I don't know that it's been established that New Line was "fudging" the box office numbers. I'm sure someone was fudging something somewhere (we are talking about huge amounts of money) but who it was and to what extent we'll probably never know.

Shaye's reaction is perfectly rational. Why would you sign a contract with someone who is suing you for breach of contract?

I don't want to indulge in any Schadenfreude but I would like to see a director other than Mr. Jackson for The Hobbit. I don't think he understands Tolkien's work at all.
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Inkpot wrote:
I understand your point, Orpheus, but one could just as easily argue that it was Mr. Jackson who gave them a polished product to distribute and market in the first place. We could go back and forth on this one forever.
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Other tentpole films for MGM that were reported by Variety were Terminator 4, and Thomas Crown Affair 2.

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old school gamer wrote:
What's a tentpole movie?

I always though that it was one of those movies that comes on late at night on Cinemax.

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haha! If you;re question was serious, I shall answer. A "tentpole" film is a film that will support a movie studio by bringing in lots of revenue.

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Orpheus wrote:
I always though that it was one of those movies that comes on late at night on Cinemax.

You weren't alone in that; I never saw the term before, either.
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From the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... &cset=true

Sam Raimi considering 'The Hobbit'

In the wake of Peter Jackson's rift with the studio, the "Spidey" director may be next in line to take over fhe franchise.

By Rachel Abramowitz, Times Staff Writer

So long, Spidey?

Hello Bilbo?

In a move that would have ramifications for several major multi-nationals, and millions of fans, "Spider-Man" maestro Sam Raimi has been telling associates, as well as his corporate masters at Sony, that he is thinking of directing "The Hobbit," the prequel to J.R.R. Tolkien's masterwork, "The Lord of the Rings." At least two top-level insiders who declined to be named -- have heard the words out of the director's mouth.

A year ago, such a swap of franchises would have been unthinkable, given that Peter Jackson co-wrote and directed the Oscar-winning "Rings" trilogy, but that was before the slugfest erupted between the once-rotund director and New Line honcho Bob Shaye.

Jackson is suing the studio over money he says is owed to him from the the "Rings" films, which grossed more than $3 billion at the box office and another $1 billion on DVD. In the last few weeks, Shaye has declared Jackson persona-non-grata at New Line, stating publicly that, "He will never make any movie with New Line Cinema again while I'm still working at the company."

According to a New Line source, the studio isn't just contemplating one "Hobbit" movie, but two. The prequel tells the story of hobbit Bilbo Baggins and how he first discovers the magical but sinister ring, the very object that drives the action in "Lord of the Rings."

Still, while Raimi might be an irresistable replacement for Jackson, his ascension to the directing chair is far from a sure thing. New Line says it doesn't have a deal with the director, and Raimi hasn't met with Shaye or production president Toby Emmerich. More potentially problematic is the fact that MGM owns the distribution rights to the film. An MGM spokeman insists that MGM remains firmly in the Jackson camp: "We support Peter Jackson, and when the dust settles, we believe he is the one who will be making this movie."

A call to Raimi's office was directed to his agent, Richard Lovett, at CAA. The agency did not comment.

For Sony, losing Raimi who gave "Spider-Man" its distinctive visual theatrics would be a blow. Studio chief Amy Pascal has said she wants to make six installments of the "Spider-Man" tale. Just this week, the studio announced it was rehiring David Koepp, who wrote the first film, to write "Spider-Man 4."
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According to a New Line source, the studio isn't just contemplating one "Hobbit" movie, but two.

If they do this it will thoroughly lose me. I shudder to imagine the damage done on one move, never mind two.
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Hmm, Raimi is known for taking material and keeping the fans happy, while at the same time producing a great flick. I too think that one 3 hour movie is plenty for The Hobbit (in keeping with the spirit of the number of novels), but don't totally hate the idea either.

Regardless, the best that this article has to offer is the possibility of Sam Raimi heading up the project. That would be a good thing overall IMO.

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I could see Raimi making a good job of the film (there really is only one good film in that book, albeit a long film). Wooing MGM may be the sticking-point, though. I could live without seeing Jackson do it. His adaptation was competent for the most part, but not inspired.
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Anyone has to be better than Peter Hackson.
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According to New Line founder and co-chairman Robert K. Shaye via an interview with the New York Times, the studio intends to release The Hobbit in 2009.

The New York Times writes:

And he would not comment on reports in the news media that the "Spider-Man" director Sam Raimi had been asked to direct "The Hobbit." He said, however, that although there was no workable script yet for the film, he intended to release it in 2009.

Peter Jackson is not expected to direct the film due to a falling out with the studio over profits from The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
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I will not miss Jackson's work on The Hobbit, for sure. And Raimi did an exceptional job on Spider-Man, so perhaps he could make a decent movie (decent in the sense: faithful to the book).

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If Raimi does Hobbit, I'll be expecting a Bruce Campbell cameo... at the minimum. If that doesn't happen, I've got a shovel.

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If Raimi does Hobbit, I'll be expecting a Bruce Campbell cameo... at the minimum. If that doesn't happen, I've got a shovel.

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As much as I love BC, he does not need to be in Sam Raimi's, THE HOBBIT. Unless of course it's an ultra small, non-speaking roll. BC in The Hobbit would be too distracting IMHO.

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At this point, I'm fine with Raimi and I don't even care if they retain the Ians to reprise their roles (Holm as Bilbo and McKellen as Gandalf).
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I don't know... Sir Ian McKellen was pretty damn impressive as Gandalf. Honestly I think his portray of Galdalf was spot on. I hope he comes back for the Hobbit film/s.

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