serleran wrote:
Well, I'm no fan of the books - only tried reading Fellowship after the movie came out and got about 75 pages in before putting it down, thinking "does this ever get anywhere?" and, before I was sick of the writing style (I'm more of a Poe / Lovecraft reader.) So, if the new movies cover any of that boring stuff... then, well, no. Maybe if it's like a 2 minute montage. Maybe.
If it counts for anything, the Hobbit has a different feel and pace that the LOTR does. People I know who disliked reading the LOTR books rather enjoyed the Hobbit in comparison. Of course, Tolkien is in a different category to Lovecraft.
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I might give The Hobbit a go. I believe it gets to interesting things much quicker. I sort of prefer in media res introductions, though, not hundreds of pages of "and so, in the hubris hovel didst Samwise and Sara beget Spleen and Spam, for in their rising and heaving heard the cracking craw of the crow..." Umm, well, take that back... that might be cool.
Well, put it this way, I am so disenchanted with the LOTR's films, I haven't even bothered to even rent the extended versions. I certainly don't own them. I also don't plan too. ^_~`
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gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* I'm well aware of the back history of the LOTR's. My general point being, that its a big waste of time to put that kind of thing in a movie. Make the Hobbit, fine. And stick with JUST the Hobbit. But if its as ballsed up as the LOTR's movies, I still wont go see it.
I call BS on Peter.
If there is a HOT chick in sexy ren faire attire ANYWHERE in the film, he will go see it. Though he will go incognito and probably with a paper sack over his head saying "Peter Jackson blows monkey".
On a side side tangent. Lot of blasting of PJ in this thread. Most of it deserved. Make sure to throw PLENTY of it on his wife and his wife's girlfriend as their script and convincing him of the "importance" of re-writing a perfectly fine piece of literature to insure Liv Tyler gets screen time is the true root of the evil taint that pervails the films.
For my $$ im holding out on the new Conan film and hoping beyond hope and praying beyond prayer that it doesn't suck monkey butt.
If there is a HOT chick in sexy ren faire attire ANYWHERE in the film, he will go see it. Though he will go incognito and probably with a paper sack over his head saying "Peter Jackson blows monkey".
Well, your call failed. Why do I need to go see a movie with hot ren faire chick in it when I can get a real hot ren faire chick, perhaps even more than one, sitting on my lap with a single phone call. ^_~`
Two on the lap is much better than one on the film. ^_~`
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Big whoop. I can get a naked female on my lap for $2 at any strip club. Cheaper then movie tickets & popcorn.
I'd go see the Hobbit though. It might be good. What is the latest news on it anyway? Release date??
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Shit. Now you've done it. I suppose the Trolls are already halfway to PA by now.
*chuckles* Well, its funny that it would cost him money, and doesn't cost me anything.
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Deogolf wrote:
Nothing is free! There always a fee to pay at some point!
Well, mine is the demand of "Draw my picture, damnit!"
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Course I agree completely with this review of the LOTR's movie.
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Omote wrote:
Well, with Guillermo del Toro at the helm, you are probably going to miss out on some fantastic cinema. Never before have I see a director who has a better feel for fantastical cinema then Guillermo del Toro. Though, all of his previous films are a bit too dark for the Hobbit films, I think with the sold writing behind him there will be much to ooh and ahh about in the next two Hobbit films.
Guillermo del Toro Chats with TORN About The Hobbit Films!April 25th, 2008
In an exclusive interview with TheOneRing.net, Guillermo del Toro talks about Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Howard Shore, Animatronics vs CGI, the tone of the upcoming Hobbit films and much more!
We had the opportunity to chat with Guillermo del Toro this morning from his current HQ in London. Hes hard at work putting the finishing touches on Hellboy II: The Golden Army and taking interviews from news outlets about that film, and the recent announcement that hell be doing The Hobbit and a subsequent Hobbit sequel down the line.
First things first, YES, that is him on our message boards, he told me he intends to post there as often as he humanly can. And yes, he is as cool and approachable as he sounds. Take a look at my interview!
How did this whole process get started?
GDT: I met Peter (Jackson) a long time ago when we were planning on doing Halo together, I really love how they have that setup in New Zealand, I call it Hollywood the way God intended it. New Zealand has all the technical advantages when doing a big movie and you are shooting it in paradise, both in terms of artistic freedom and commitment.
When Halo didnt happen, Peter and I stayed in contact on a regular basis, and last winter I started getting inklings that The Hobbit may come this way, mainly from the studio. The first thing I said was that I would only be interested if Peter was involved and the (New Line Lawsuit) problem gets resolved. When that issue was resolved I got a call from Peter and we chatted, and it started from then, it was my Christmas gift!
Fans are all abuzz about The Second Film, can you tell some of your plans for it?
GDT: You know, I traveled to New Zealand just a little while ago, and one of the main reasons for going was to sit down and talk about the second film. The Hobbit, the book, is really one self-contained film, so for the second movie we sat down and worked it out. When we did this we got really excited because this second film is not a tag on, its not filler, its an integral part of telling the story of those 50 years of history lost in the narrative. There will be certain things that we will see from the first movie but from a different point of view, but it will feel like a volume, in the 5 volumes of the entire story. It will not feel like a bridge, Ive been hearing it called a bridge film, its not, its an integral chapter of the story, and I think were all on the same page.
You will be moving down to New Zealand for 4 years, is that right?
GDT: Approximately, my whole family, but the first stages of design and R&D will be done with me going back and fourth from LA and New Zealand because there are a lot of things I need to put to bed before I finally move to New Zealand. Im going much sooner than my relatives would like!
We will officially be doing a lot of prep on The Hobbit this summer, there is so much to do, its amazing. Just the reforestation of The Shire, re planting all those trees and plants will take months, and were going to be as exact as possible.
Films like Pans Labyrinth used a few studio sets to simulate outdoors, will you be doing the same for The Hobbit or will you be making use of New Zealands wilderness like Peter did?
GDT: I think green screen photography is exactly like CGI, it is a tool, I dont think it should be overused. Things like Pans Labyrinth and The Devils Backbone are incredibly dependent on location, we shot on location for more than half the time. Those locations can be enhanced by technology however, both digital and physical. What I would like to avoid is the recreation of the natural environments in CG, I dont like doing that. The movie is essentially a journey movie, I think you need to use locations as much as possible.
Youll be using WETA Digital for the effects?
GDT: Yes, the essential elements for keeping continuity are on track, in the last few weeks Ive been chatting with a ton of people via email, phone, and in person from the previous films. People like Andy Serkis, Sir Ian McKellen, Howard Shore, John Howe, Gino Acevedo, Richard Taylor next week Im meeting Alan Lee. Im doing this to ensure that whatever we do we keep continuity with the other films, yes its a world that is slightly more golden at the beginning, a very innocent environment.
What Im trying to do is keep the elements in place but allow you to feel a progression from The Hobbit until The Return of the King. I believe The Hobbit is a very crucial volume in The Lord of the Rings, it is a narrative that starts out very much in an innocent and golden way. It is permeated from England going through World War One, so there is a loss of innocence and a darker tone as the book and the film progresses. Well be doing that in the first film, taking you from a time of more purity to a darker reality throughout the film, but I think that is in the spirit of the book. All these guys, Alan Lee, John Howe, these guys are integral for us to map out that progress in the two movies, and allow you to completely blend in to the universe that is already in place. But this will be a progression, it should not feel at the start of the film that this is the same time (as the beginning of Fellowship). 50 years in Shire time, is not the same as 50 years in human time, if you think about how our world has changed in only 7 or 8 years, you can think of it as decades of turmoil, those 50 years in Middle-earth.
Do you have any roles cast?
GDT: Well, I had the most charming meeting with Sir Ian, and all bureaucracy pending, hes on board, as is Andy Serkis. We will continue giving you progress reports as the occur. It is our intention that we will not lose any of the key elements.
What will differ from your films versus Peters?
The only thing I will be pushing for more in these films that the other three are full animatronics and animatronic creatures enhanced with CGI, as opposed to CGI creatures themselves. We really want to take the state-of-the-art animatronics and take a leap ten years into the future with the technology we will develop for the creatures in the movie. We have every intention to do for animatronics and special effects what the other films did for virtual reality.
Another thing people will notice, at the beginning of the film will be the palette, that will be slightly different, the world will be the same but it will be a more golden world, a more wide-eyed world. But by no means will we depart from the canon, we will take the three previous films as canon. When I become part of a world that I love, such as this, I really come with a lot of enthusiasm and hard work, and we know we are recreating and creating a world that is part of the mythos of millions of people and we will approach it as passionately and respectfully as it needs to be taken.
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I know a lot of people, espeically in gaming forums, who have certain problems with the LOTR films, and that is fine. However, I would like to say that the LOTR films alone have gotten a ton of people to play paper and pencil RPGs, particularly women. It's so much easier to sell a "dorky" game like C&C/D&D, etc when you can explain to the ladies and the new players that you can PLAY the Lord of the Rings movies!
It's great.
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Omote wrote:
But by no means will we depart from the canon, we will take the three previous films as canon.
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I agree. I found the movies did an excellent job of balancing respect for the source material, visual appeal, technical excellence, critical acclaim and fun fantasy action movie making. The fact LotR was made as a series of movies to this standard was something I didn't think we would ever see as the books and the way movies are made are so contrary to each other.
Theatrical version of canon. Just like there are many ways to interpret C&C rules, each way could be considered canon in it's own right. Theatrical LOTR canon.
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I enjoyed the films. Quite a lot, actually. Bought them and have watched each of them at least twice more. I've never understood why some people couldn't stand them. In my opinion, Jackson did what he had to do to make them good FILMS.
I've enjoyed the books many, many more times. I first read them when I was about 11 or 12, and I've made it a point to reread them about every five or seven years since. Unlike many people, I prefer the LotR books to The Hobbit, but I barely think of them as belonging to the same genre. That's not to suggest I don't like The Hobbit. I do, quite a lot. I first "tried" to read The Silmarillion when I was about 15. I thought it a bunch of fey wankery then, and still do. Still haven't ever finished it. Tolkiens "Sir Gawain" is still something I like, as is the biography of Tolkien by Carpenter.
All that aside, I think the idea of a "Hobbit Part II" unrelated to the original story is pure and utter bull honky.
Harry Joy wrote:
All that aside, I think the idea of a "Hobbit Part II" unrelated to the original story is pure and utter bull honky.
haha, that would be funny if the 2nd film was named such. It's got that Godfather sequel ring to it.
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Omote wrote:
Theatrical version of canon. Just like there are many ways to interpret C&C rules, each way could be considered canon in it's own right. Theatrical LOTR canon.
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I got that. Its just yet another nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned. Now if the erstwhile film producers had talked about going back to the BOOK cannon, I might have considered wasting my money.
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