I've done something I promised myslef I'd never do.

Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:10 pm

I rejoined RPGnet.

But, the reasoning is sound but it still grates on my nerves that I had to go back on my own word. On top of that, I can't be my own charming self or I'd just use my old account, nope I have to go on as the new improved more kind RPGnetter that has to resist the urge to call people on their bullshit and generally sit back and well... not be me. Not, too bad if all I was doing was lurking, but I can't I have to post to get my post count up, because we all know the inane unofficial rule that anyone with a low post count are scum and need to be ignored until they reach some kind of magic number. I've never cared much about post counts, just content... but for some it is the Alpha and Omega.

*shrugs*

So I go on, try to find some thread that hasn't devolved into stupidity that I have at least a little bit of interest in and post some quick comment to solely get my post count up.

I feel dirty.

Now you ask why all this trouble? Well I'm converting an awesome setting to the FATE 3.0 rules, because in my mind the clunky rules set does not do the setting justice. I know FATE well and I think it would convert easily and maintain the over-all feel of what the original author intended. So, I've got owner on board with the project, a editor lined up and even a offer from Fred Hicks to help out. So, when it is all said and done I'm going to need play testers of different sorts. Experienced gamers who know the FATE system.Experienced gamers that know the game being convertedExperience gamers that know neither.People who have never gamed beforeExperienced gamers that know both (which at the moment is just me.)
Now the actual release of a betta version is months down the line (mostly because I've been waiting for the Dresden game to come out.) so I have to get on board to the "Mecca" of rpg forums to maximize my play tester potential. This doesn't mean I am relying solely on RPGnet, but it would be remiss of me to exclude the forum because of my own personal bias.

*sigh*

It is really bothering me, especially the times that I have to step back, hold my tongue- and not be what I used to be. Nice guys get better responses to requests like these, especially when a non-disclosure agreement will be required to be signed by everyone involved before you get the material and I'm going to be looking for people who can intelligently communicate their ideas, in length about their concerns, ideas, likes and experiences.

Tough assignment I know. Throw a deadline on the pile and the play testers get whittled down fairly quickly.

Edit: Aaaaargh myslef should be myself (see topic heading). Never post when you first wake up and are only half way through your coffee.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:33 pm

Fate doesn't have its own boards? Ah well, you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm still staying away and honoring my permanent ban. I'm sure the nice pleasant all knowing ultimate judges of all things RPG are still there.
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Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:36 pm

Treebore wrote:
Fate doesn't have its own boards? Ah well, you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm still staying away and honoring my permanent ban. I'm sure the nice pleasant all knowing ultimate judges of all things RPG are still there.

Yes they do, but look at my list of required game testers, the FATE board really will only fit one of those criteria. That is why I'm gonna hit a number of forums soliciting help.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:39 pm

The only familiarity I have with Fate is the Starblazer Adventures book I have at home. A nice system if you ask me, but I need more familiarity before I actually could run it. I plan to do so at some point. Good luck over on RPGNET. I post there irregularly due to an inordinately high incidence of flamewars the threads over there seem to proliferate.

Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:18 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
The only familiarity I have with Fate is the Starblazer Adventures book I have at home. A nice system if you ask me, but I need more familiarity before I actually could run it. I plan to do so at some point. Good luck over on RPGNET. I post there irregularly due to an inordinately high incidence of flamewars the threads over there seem to proliferate.

Oh, make no mistake I'll be hitting people up here to. Sorry, no cash involved but play test credits will be implemented. And, and like I said I was a long time member there (I think I signed up in either 2003 or 2005 or somewhere in between, I don't remember.) so I am well aware of the "environment". Though there are still good people there I just couldn't be part of it anymore. This time my eyes are wide open and I have to keep reminding myself why I'm there.
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cheeplives · Post by **cheeplives** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:03 pm

You know, I've never had any trouble with my posts on RPGnet and I'm not a high post-count person... 654 posts and member since 2004... that's... 131 posts a year?! .35 posts per day?

Then again, I stay away from tangency and keep my snark down to a very minimum. Basically I go in to discuss the things I like and pretty much ignore the stuff I don't...

I'm not entirely sure I completley understand where all the ire comes from on the RPGnet front... I've read quite a few of the flameouts and such and many wounds seem self-inflicted. Sometimes the moderation can be a bit overzealous, it's true, but I think it's a pretty well run board for the size and scope.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 pm

The thing I've noticed over there in the past has been that the Mods *seem* to play favorites. The posters who are friends or agree with the mods get much more leeway from them (on a regular basis). I've seen certain posters say something marginally questionable and get a mod-induced vacation and I've seen some of the more "prolific" posters say some fairly heinous stuff and not get so much as openly warned. Maybe that happens everywhere and I just havent noticed. I try to not get caught up in such things but maybe I'm guilty as well. Either way, this is why I've kept a safe distance. I do like the boards and certain posters @rpgnet are A-OK in my book. I don't have any particular problem with rpgnet either way and go there fairly regularly even though I tend to refrain from posting.

EDIT: They are FAR better than one particular board which shall remain unnamed. The board in question has one or two mods that openly attack certain posters in one thread while berating and banning other "normal" posters for the exact same activity. Power trip ^3.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:31 pm

I got a life time ban because I posted nice friendly posts over there, then posted a thread on this board predictnng how the thread on rpgnet would go. I did so with high accuracy, Then someone here let them know about "the cross board trolling" they accused me of, even though I said absolutely nothing insulting on RPGnet, and the only bad things I said on this board was how incredibly predictable they were.

So because their board behaviour, and monitoring, was so predictable, and because I was nothing but politeness on their boards, they banned me for being a cross board troll. Permanently. Which doesn't bug me because the whole reason I did it in the first place is I was sick of the habitually rude people allowed to run rampant by the moderators over there, time after time.

Now several people have told me they think things have improved over there since then, but since I spend way too much time on internet RPG boards as it is, I don't need to find another one to waste my time on. So I'll just stick to the boards I do go to now, and leave RPGnet alone.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:33 pm

If it weren't for the anti-spam "law" about trying to promote a project, even in the correct location, I would likely visit more forums...but, as it is, only a very few are seemingly willing to set up a section for such posts. Alas. Word of mouth and text must convey it seems.
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cheeplives · Post by **cheeplives** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:39 pm

serleran wrote:
If it weren't for the anti-spam "law" about trying to promote a project, even in the correct location, I would likely visit more forums...but, as it is, only a very few are seemingly willing to set up a section for such posts. Alas. Word of mouth and text must convey it seems.

I'm not sure I follow this. I promote StarSIEGE whenever someone comes out looking for a sci-fi game and don't get a single bit of red-texting.

Sure, I never posted a thread to start discussion of my own game, but that's what is banned in the rules.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:41 pm

Exactly the point -- you wait for a question, rather than saying "there is a new thing." If no one asks, you "can't" respond. Its reactionary advertisement.
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cheeplives · Post by **cheeplives** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:49 pm

serleran wrote:
Exactly the point -- you wait for a question, rather than saying "there is a new thing." If no one asks, you "can't" respond. Its reactionary advertisement.

True, but at RPGnet there are usually countless opportuniites in any given day to do so... heck, there's even more so if you religiously check and/or name-drop in places where it's barely even justified. People do it all the time with no real issue. You just can't start your own discussion on your own product... I have no issue with such a policy. Who wants author-generated interest anyways?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:59 pm

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Who wants author-generated interest anyways?

I do, so I know the thing exists. Especially for small press releases, which serve open forums far more effectively. There is a difference between a post that says "A preview of recent work is available, if interesting in checking it out.... visit blah blah" and something like "this is the best thing in the world -- you have to have it!"

But, it doesn't really matter since I prefer not having the time to rack up 10000 posts on yet more forums.
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Benoist · Post by **Benoist** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:02 pm

RPGnet, ENWorld... I'm done with them.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:15 pm

Benoist wrote:
RPGnet, ENWorld... I'm done with them.

Yeah, there are a couple of boards I am getting tired of. ENWorld being one of them, my primary motivation for going there is to find out about product releases from the various publishers.

I usually find a thread or two worth posting in.

Frankly, if it wasn't for the publishers forum I probably wouldn't go to the board anymore. At one time I even paid money to support the board. Won't happen again, their focus is not my focus any more.
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Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:38 pm

cheeplives wrote:
I'm not sure I follow this. I promote StarSIEGE whenever someone comes out looking for a sci-fi game and don't get a single bit of red-texting.

Sure, I never posted a thread to start discussion of my own game, but that's what is banned in the rules.

Oh... gawd... I'm actually gonna kind of defend RPGnet.

They do have a forum where you can hype your own game, make product announcements etc. The problem is that the high traffic areas are Tabletop Roleplaying OpenTangencyRPG Spotlight: Dungeons & Dragons / Fantasy D20 And if you want decent exposure really you want to post something in the Open forum.

But to balance my soul out, this is where the favoritism is played. Plenty of times I've seen a member, from the industry, get preferential treatment by having a announcement on the Open Forum stay where others are scolded and have their thread moved.

Not all RPGnet rules apply to everyone ESPECIALLY if your a ex-mod, best friend, old-timer or industry "heavy weight".
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