An Open Letter About Of Gods & Monsters

AslanC · Post by **AslanC** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:53 am

You're the straight man Sir Osis
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:55 am

AslanC wrote:
You're the straight man Sir Osis

Ah. Okay. As long as I know what my part is.... Thanks for clearing that up.

AslanC · Post by **AslanC** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:56 am

I got your back Sir O
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:57 am

AslanC wrote:
I got your back Sir O

Good to know. Now will somebody please tell me, WHO'S ON SECOND? Sorry...straight man thing. Got it out of my system. Now we can move on.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:59 am

AslanC wrote:
Sing along with me now!

THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS!

Pffft. This is nothing. Get people going on the merits of one multi classing method vs another. That goes on forever!
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:02 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
Pffft. This is nothing. Get people going on the merits of one multi classing method vs another. That goes on forever!

LOL. That one could get ugly.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:24 am

Sir Osis of Liver wrote:
Don't make me send Tullis after you.

HAH! Tullis is a kitten. Alls I'd have to do is feed him beers and free TLG books and he would leave me alone

Jynx · Post by **Jynx** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:15 am

Holy cow!

For a thread that started off with potential, it's gone ALL OVER THE PLACE now!

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:50 am

Troll Lord wrote:
Yeppers. I pointedly stayed out of those discussions for obvious reasons. You were ever in the vanguard of those battles for sure.

Well we are going to purge it, but I'm having trouble finding it. Its not in the ad copy for Gods, but rather on the product listing on the left hand side, but that lists ED as Screens as core too.

So if you find the word anywhere that I'm missing, let me know and I'll purge it.

Still musing on my Keep idea.

Steve

Hey Steve - the big factor here are the TLG "Products" and "On The Anvil" pages, where each has the titled category "CORE" with the 4 books placed right under each.... that's where the understanding of all of this comes from. Get aztecman to purge those and rearrange just a bit there and it should help:
http://www.trolllord.com/anvil/index.html

and
http://www.trolllord.com/cnc/index.html

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AnthonyRoberson · Post by **AnthonyRoberson** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:04 pm

This thread has really opened my eyes. My initial post was to express my honest concern about a new release for C&C (a game I really like) and follow-up posts were to make TLG and the fans aware of the errors and/or deficiencies that I found in that release.

Since then, the thread has devolved into posts about what is 'core' and I have been told that I am 'bitching' and my posts are 'rude' and 'a d*ck move'. I can only assume this is regular behavior for the C&C forum community. Based on that, my decision is an easy one.

Don't worry about any future posts from me. I have a bad taste in my mouth now and my desire to help the Troll Lords try to clean up an errors in Of Gods & Monsters before it goes to wider release has fled.

You guys can have it.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:37 pm

AnthonyRoberson wrote:
This thread has really opened my eyes. My initial post was to express my honest concern about a new release for C&C (a game I really like) and follow-up posts were to make TLG and the fans aware of the errors and/or deficiencies that I found in that release.

Since then, the thread has devolved into posts about what is 'core' and I have been told that I am 'bitching' and my posts are 'rude' and 'a d*ck move'. I can only assume this is regular behavior for the C&C forum community. Based on that, my decision is an easy one.

Don't worry about any future posts from me. I have a bad taste in my mouth now and my desire to help the Troll Lords try to clean up an errors in Of Gods & Monsters before it goes to wider release has fled.

You guys can have it.

Posts in this thread that have been derogatory in nature to your post are not the norm. Check the scores and scores of threads on these forums and you will see what I mean. My apologies if you have been offended in any way.

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, but the nature of the many threads are that the longer they go, the more off-topic they become. It happens all the time, sadly. And it is true that some strong opinions have been expressed in this thread. I certainly don't condone it, but at the same time I don't know what to say. Yes, they shouldn't have been so acidic in some of their comments. But I'm not sure they are picking on you specifically - if I had posted the exact same opening post as you, I probably would have been reacted to the same way.

In other words, I don't want you to think you were singled out for any particular reason. Again, I'm not saying that excuses anything, and if you were offended, you have every right to be upset. But I don't think it's fair of you to make blanket statements about this whole forum and the members based on a few responses that have upset you. The majority of the posters and threads are usually filled with constructive, helpful commentary complied by pretty decent folk. This forum is far, far better than the pure sh!t that gets expelled from RPGNet, ENWorld, and the WotC boards on a daily basis.

So, hopefully you take my words and dwell on them a little. If you were hurt by some of the comments, I'm sure those offending folk will be more than happy to offer a sincere apology (though I cannot speak for anyone) as this forum has been nothing but spectacular in my short time here. If you decide to leave this place, I offer my farewell and hope you find a community that you truly enjoy.
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Thoom · Post by **Thoom** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:49 pm

seskis281 wrote:
Hey Steve - the big factor here are the TLG "Products" and "On The Anvil" pages, where each has the titled category "CORE" with the 4 books placed right under each.... that's where the understanding of all of this comes from. Get aztecman to purge those and rearrange just a bit there and it should help:
http://www.trolllord.com/anvil/index.html

and
http://www.trolllord.com/cnc/index.html

It's also on the TLG Store page (Says "Castles & Crusades Core Books"):
http://www.trolllord.com/store/index.html
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:56 pm

AnthonyRoberson wrote:
This thread has really opened my eyes. My initial post was to express my honest concern about a new release for C&C (a game I really like) and follow-up posts were to make TLG and the fans aware of the errors and/or deficiencies that I found in that release.

Since then, the thread has devolved into posts about what is 'core' and I have been told that I am 'bitching' and my posts are 'rude' and 'a d*ck move'. I can only assume this is regular behavior for the C&C forum community. Based on that, my decision is an easy one.

Don't worry about any future posts from me. I have a bad taste in my mouth now and my desire to help the Troll Lords try to clean up an errors in Of Gods & Monsters before it goes to wider release has fled.

You guys can have it.

Let's try it this way. Did you ever do a project in school only to have the teacher or somebody else nitpick your work in front of the entire class, picking apart the minutiae for all to see/hear? I would certainly hope not. If so, I'd like to have a few words with that teacher, or whomever else would have done it.

While your complaints have been worthwhile ones in many cases, they're not for a public forum, in my opinion. If something isn't right in your opinion, at least show the author the respect and common courtesy of taking it up directly with him before you start shredding in a forum. The C&C community a tight-knit one that has generally been far more respectful of other peoples' opinions and receptive to new and different ideas than many of the other forums I've seen, hence my enjoyment here. But to nitpick an author's work in a public forum strikes me as being either exceedingly disrespectful or just plain immature. I hope you can step back and view this from the other side of the equation. You've made some valid points, and I could see you being a good contributor to future discussions. But some measure of common courtesy is not too much to ask, again, in my opinion.

Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:12 pm

Look, my comments here have not been meant to be offensive, so if they've been construed as such, I apologize.

I can't help but have strong feelings on this subject, though. As a teacher myself, I have to go to great lengths to make sure that I don't do anything like the scenario that I mentioned in my previous post. There are times when that is difficult, but I have to remember to keep things constructive. If something like that comes up, I pull the student aside, or better yet, notify them in a way that tries to the best of my ability to guarantee their anonymity so that I can work with them in confidentiality. I expect no less than the same from them in return, if they have an issue with something. I've forged enough of a bond with my students at this point that they know that if they need to talk about something with me, as long as they do it respectfully, I will not hold it against them. I'd have all the more respect for them for being able to come to grips with their fears and talk to me.

You can't please everybody with any product. Somebody out there isn't going to like it, and that's okay. But to launch the opening salvo online, especially given the nature of the things taken to task, in a public place, I just feel like that comes off as being rude beyond measure. Everybody I've ever dealt with at TLG has been incredibly nice, open and willing as far as I can tell to take constructive criticism. Were it me, I don't think I'd even have the guts to put that kind of stuff in a forum post. But that's just me.

So bottom line, if I offended, I'm genuinely sorry. But understand where I'm coming from, and why I reacted the way I did.

cleaverthepit · Post by **cleaverthepit** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:15 pm

I would like to apologize as owner of the company to you personally. Its rare when insults are allowed to fly on these boards. that's neither Steve nor my own personal operendi (except with one another where the free flow of insults is grotesque).

I would compile the editorial complaints and send them to Steve as a document. its easier to get the corrections in that way.

we always appreciate customer input and actually do respond to it (well, sometimes not, but editorial one's for sure).

As i said I am glad you brought it up and am not unhappy with the direction of the convo as it has enabled Steve, Mark and myself to examine the core issue and plan soe revamping.

Davis Chenault

author at large

AnthonyRoberson · Post by **AnthonyRoberson** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:26 pm

cleaverthepit wrote:
I would compile the editorial coplaints and nsend them to steve as a document. its easier to get the corrections in that way.

Thank you Mr. Chenault. I will try to compile this information by Monday and get the information sent to you.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:42 pm

I'm closing this thread now as I feel its run its course (and the original purpose will now be served elsewhere). I hope Mr. Roberson continues to be a fan and customer of TLG and that everyone here understands one another a bit better today. C&C fans are some of the coolest people I've met, and despite disagreements and minor points of contention, we tend to be a tight knit group of fairly like-minded individuals. I don't think that is likely to change any time soon

Post by **Fiffergrund** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:42 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
I'm closing this thread now as I feel its run its course (and the original purpose will now be served elsewhere). I hope Mr. Roberson continues to be a fan and customer of TLG and that everyone here understands one another a bit better today. C&C fans are some of the coolest people I've met, and despite disagreements and minor points of contention, we tend to be a tight knit group of fairly like-minded individuals. I don't think that is likely to change any time soon

BD is much nicer than I would have been.
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