Temple of Elemental Evil

PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:32 am

So I do not have my TOEE anymore. Somewhere in my travels it was gone. No Big Deal, I have the PDF. After seeing a couple of threads about TOEE I decided I might run it for my players.

I printed out the entire PDF, brought it down to my friendly college library, and had them bind it in a black hard cover with Gold lettering.

I pick it up after 1:00pm today. I will post pictures. I cannot wait. I love that adventure!!
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:01 pm

Man I wish I had a place around me that could do this... trust me, I've looked. Time to get to Wayne, Nebraska.

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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:41 pm

Yea, definately jealous here. I've looked for placed to bind as well but cant get it done local.

babbage · Post by **babbage** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:32 pm

I have a colour printer and printed out my PDF (my original has long gone). Then I put them in a ring binder with clear plastic sheets. It's very good, bigger print than the original and the pages turn more easily!

8)

(Yes, I know it's all in black and white - but the front isn't!)
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PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:59 pm

Well, it's a crappy picture. Damn digital camera or operator. I hate the one I have. Here it is:
http://www.cncplayer.net/images/TOEE.JPG

I can't wait to run it.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:40 am

How much did that cost? I want to do something similiar with my Queen of the Demonweb Pits, with the new WOTC maps. So I would like a price fro comparison shopping.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:47 am

I'm still trying to snag a good copy on eBay (for a reasonable price) to no avail. This, the Greyhawk Boxed Set and Monster Manual II seem to elude my buying attempts!
Yeah, I know . . . timing is everything. Time to start watching - again!
Peel, how's the quality of the PDF? That might be the way to go for me.

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PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:47 am

It cost $9.00 at Wayne State. The PDF was $4.95. The quality of the PDF is really good. I would suggest printing it out on a good, high speed laser if you have access to one instead of an inkjet. My laser at work chokes on large PDF's so I do it on inkjet.

I have also done the same thing with the Rules Cyclopedia. For all the color maps in that book, I used our color laser at work. They turned out AWESOME!!

I have been considering doing like a 4 volume set of all the Gazetteers. But I want to buy some really good printers for that first.
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Metathiax · Post by **Metathiax** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:51 am

Quote:
how's the quality of the PDF?

I have the Temple of Elemental Evil, Scourge of the Slave Lords and Queen of the Spiders modules in pdf (bought all three of them at RPGnow) and their quality is pretty good in my opinion.
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Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:45 am

I wouldn't think there would be much to convert. I haven't personally ran ToEE, but I think several people have talk about it. Try a search.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:48 am

1E is so easy to convert just run it. The biggest thing you need to know is how to flip the AC to a positive value and the HD of the creature. Classed Opponents are even easier.

Any specific questions just ask.

Until you get used to it go through the module like I did with the "Giants" series. Write the conversions in the margin in pencil. After you do about a half dozen of them you'll realize it is so easy you'll quit doing it and just convert in your head as you run it.

StealthSuitStanley · Post by **StealthSuitStanley** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:27 pm

Treebore, or anyone else who can answer...

Can you do an example of AC conversion? Can you do an example of HD conversion?

Thanks!

Robocoastie · Post by **Robocoastie** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:17 pm

hmm my reply earlier didn't take. oh well basically I was asking the same as StealthSuitStanley is because its more than just switching negative to positive, even doubling the number doesn't always come close to srd/CnC version. The HD is usually the same though of course HD's can vary anyway based on what level you want the critter.

Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:06 pm

C&C AC = 20 - AD&D AC

example: C&C AC 17 = 20 - AD&D AC 3

I'm not sure what the HD conversion thingy is. I know that you just use HD to figure out BtH and CL for saves and what-nots.

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Robocoastie · Post by **Robocoastie** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:16 pm

aye that works pretty good! thanks a ton!

Rob

Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:18 pm

Welcome

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:28 pm

The only "hit die conversion" would be the change in die types. However, the C&C monsters have the same average range of HP as their AD&D counters, plus or minus one or two... so you don't need to do a conversion of HD.

The only thing, except AC, would be SR conversion (divide by 5 and add 1) and assigning Primes to monsters. They either have Mental, Physical, both, or neither.

However, if you have M&T, you'd have a helluva lot of work done for you.

Robocoastie · Post by **Robocoastie** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:49 pm

aye I do. Good to know that though that way conversion can be done on the fly at the table as well.

miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:47 am

Robocoastie wrote:
aye I do. Good to know that though that way conversion can be done on the fly at the table as well.

Actually, some of the previous posting might lead a person to believe AC conversion is simpler than it really is when in reality, it's not a 1 one step process.

Using the previously suggested method doesn't always work since the armor ratings in C&C aren't necessarily the same as in 1st edition. For example, in C&C Chain armor is 10+6=AC 16 and Plate armor is 10+8=AC 18. If C&C AC =[20-1st Ed AC], then 1st Ed AC=[20-C&C AC]. But in 1st Ed chain is AC 5 (not 6) and Plate is ac 3 (not 2). Looking at it in reverse, according to the formula, the C&C equivalents should be 15 and 17 respectively. But instead they're 16 and 18. The forumula is off by 1 in both cases.

On top of that the dexterity bonuses don't match up from 1st Ed to C&C which can throw AC conversion further askew. For example, a PC or NPC with a dex of 1 3 gets no AC bonus in first edition, while in C&C he gets a +1 so C&C is better. And for higher attributes it works the other way around. In 1st edition an 18 dex gets a 4 bonus to AC whereas in C&C it's only +3 so 1st ed is better.

Moral of the story...if you use the one-step formula, you'll probably be off by a point or 2 (unless the differences counteract each other). Why take a chance when it only only takes a couple seconds to actually figure it out the right way? Thus, I recommend checking the C&C armor ratings and dex bonus in the PH to make sure the coversion is right, and check the M&T for monster ACs. If you're the CK, to keep things moving, have someone else check the conversion for you while you find out the actions of the other characters. As a CK it's best to know for sure since a difference of a single AC point can possibly change the outcome of a battle.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:59 am

I only use the formula for monsters with "natural" AC's. When armor s worn I use the AC values in the C&C PH. Actually I usually look at the sheets from the Character sheet booklet.

Anyway, with the forthcoming screen I'll hopefully look at that for conversions.

Robocoastie · Post by **Robocoastie** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:21 am

ditto, my main reason was for natural AC and monsters that don't exist in M&T or SRD. such as the "mite" in "Into the Mite's Lair". In the end I just ended up comparing it to the goblin and making it a bit weaker and ended up with AC 13. (The module AC is listed as 8).

After going through ToEE later last night though it seems that everything in there is either in M&T or can be made quite easily from the PH. I was just concerned about any odd creatures that may show up in modules like this "mite" example.