What could you possibly throw at this guy to challenge him??

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:43 am

You know, not only is he that level he probably has a complete staff of the Winds, a complete set of the Teeth of Delvar Narr (sp?), and the mage equivelant "The Invulnerable Bracers of Arnd", and controls 10 Sphere of anihilation at one time like he is juggling them and has the full deific pantheon of Greyhawk as his slaves. Oh, and rules all of the Abyss and the 9 Hells and all the demons and devils call him "daddy".

Arioch · Post by **Arioch** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:16 am

I thought it was the invulnerable coat or Arn
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falrinth · Post by **falrinth** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:25 am

237th level? Wow!

I'd pit him against the balding, midget Dungeon Master from the 80's cartoon show. If he beat him then I guess that'd be it. He wins D&D!

jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:45 pm

I'd pit him against my wife when she's in a rage. no way a measly 237lvl mage could stand up to that force of nature...

pissed off women win every time - no contest

Cheers,

J.

Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:49 pm

jman5000 wrote:
I'd pit him against my wife when she's in a rage. no way a measly 237lvl mage could stand up to that force of nature...

pissed off women win every time - no contest

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babbage · Post by **babbage** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:24 pm

If a man speaks in a forest and his wife doesn't hear him, is he still wrong?
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Emperor Xan · Post by **Emperor Xan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:00 pm

Metathiax wrote:
For the kick of it (yes, I do have a life but it's on hold right now ), I've checked the Rulescyclopedia for the XP progression of the Magic-User (even though the player probably played under the OD&D rules which I do not have) and he would have had to accumulate around 34 500 000 XPs to get to the 237th level (considering that the 150 000 XP gap remains constant over the 36th level). This would amount to gaining a little more than an average of 1533 XPs/hour. By looking at the BD&D bestiary, this equates to slaying a small black dragon with spells, a thirteen-fourteen (damn emoticons ) HD elemental on its own plane or an average vampire per hour, non-stop. This guy is either extremely efficient and driven, his DM is spineless and awards way too much XP or the OD&D XPP is a lot faster than that of BD&D (maybe some old-schooler could answer to that...). Allow me to be sceptical...

According to the Rules Cyclopedia, you gain 1 XP per gp of treasure gained as well. Don't forget to factor that into your equation.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:22 pm

Or, he is the guy who claims to have slain every character in Greyhawk, and wants to know the XP for each of the millions of players of AD&D...

Anyway, to answer what can be thrown at the guy...

Death. Not the minor kind that appears from the Deck of Many Things... but the real one. You know, the kind that is impervious to all your attacks, always gains intiative, and always hits for XdY damage? If someone else attacks it, they get a Death, too.

It only stands to reason that if there are "minor deaths" there has to be normal ones, and even Greater Deaths.

johns · Post by **johns** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:54 pm

I'd throw a shoe at him. The player I mean.

babbage · Post by **babbage** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:06 pm

johns wrote:
I'd throw a shoe at him. The player I mean.

lol
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Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:07 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Isn't he the dude one always has to find in pictures full of crowds of people? Wears a striped sweater?

"Where's Waldorf?"

LOL

He must be a multiclass illusionist/thief to hide so well. I believe he has a hat and shirt of prismatic display.
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jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:53 pm

wonder how frayed the HP part of his character sheet is
Cheers,

J.

Jeffery St. Clair · Post by **Jeffery St. Clair** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:22 pm

serleran wrote:
Or, he is the guy who claims to have slain every character in Greyhawk, and wants to know the XP for each of the millions of players of AD&D...

That was Waldorf - for the next few months TSR was flooded with letters detailing how to kill the character.

As for either one, wish to travel back in time x years to when the character was still a child, and one good sword thrust ought to do it...
Or get a Time Elemental to do you a small favor... whatever works.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:36 pm

If one wishes to really challenge the character...

A 36th level wizard armed with the Belt of Shadows and the Elvenstar. The wizard casts a Pierce Any Shield, and activates the Belt to cast 1,000 Energy Drains. The opponent will not get a save, and is denied any spell resistance, even if granted directly by a Deity or via an artifact. The effect will cause the loss of 2d4 * 50 * 1,000 levels, instantly slaying the BS opponent.

If, for some odd reason the opponent is invulnerable to energy loss, replace Energy Drain with Disintegrate, Flesh to Air, Web of Lightning, Random Polymorph, or any other equally disturbed spell. Whatever it is will be amplified by a factor of 50,000 and will not allow a save or magic resistance.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:10 am

Jeffery St. Clair wrote:
That was Waldorf - for the next few months TSR was flooded with letters detailing how to kill the character.

As for either one, wish to travel back in time x years to when the character was still a child, and one good sword thrust ought to do it...
Or get a Time Elemental to do you a small favor... whatever works.

Ok, but going back in time and killing him will activate the grandfather paradox.

"Suppose you travelled back in time and killed your biological grandfather before he met your grandmother. As a result, one of your parents (and by extension, you) would never have been conceived, so you could not have traveled back in time after all. In that case, your grandfather would still be alive and you would have been conceived, allowing you to travel back in time and kill your grandfather, and so on. According to this theory you would be stuck in an endless time-loop from which there would be no possible escape. You would, however, never know of this loop."

--Ren Barjavel, Le Voyageur Imprudent (The Imprudent Traveller)

He's the reason for you going back in time. If you kill him, then there's no reason to go back into time, in which case he's NOT dead, allowing you to go back into time to kill him. An infinite loop with no means of escape, and you'd have no knowledge of the loop.
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ChaosImp · Post by **ChaosImp** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:12 am

Take him out with a 10th level fighter with a scroll of "protection from magic".

IMP.

babbage · Post by **babbage** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:08 am

Traveller wrote:
Ok, but going back in time and killing him will activate the grandfather paradox.

"Suppose you travelled back in time and killed your biological grandfather before he met your grandmother. As a result, one of your parents (and by extension, you) would never have been conceived, so you could not have traveled back in time after all. In that case, your grandfather would still be alive and you would have been conceived, allowing you to travel back in time and kill your grandfather, and so on. According to this theory you would be stuck in an endless time-loop from which there would be no possible escape. You would, however, never know of this loop."

--Ren Barjavel, Le Voyageur Imprudent (The Imprudent Traveller)

He's the reason for you going back in time. If you kill him, then there's no reason to go back into time, in which case he's NOT dead, allowing you to go back into time to kill him. An infinite loop with no means of escape, and you'd have no knowledge of the loop.

Ah yes, but it is also a theory that should you do such a thing you change the dimension you live in rather than alter time. In this example, you would go back in time and kill him - thereby shifting dimension to a life where he didn't exist. Technically, you haven't killed him - and never could. There would be a dimension where he still exists. AAHH!
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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:13 pm

"Time travel. From my first day on the job as captain I promised myself I'd never let myself get caught up in one of these God-forsaken paradoxes. The future's the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache."

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jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:25 pm

get darth vader to send the death star this way and just blow up the planet... game over

Cheers.

J.

Jeffery St. Clair · Post by **Jeffery St. Clair** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:48 pm

Traveller wrote:
Ok, but going back in time and killing him will activate the grandfather paradox.

Nah, wishes or other high-powered magicks automagically disregard or patch together any paradoxes that might occur if players attempt to invoke real-world philosophy or logic. Game over.
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:25 pm

Jeffery St. Clair wrote:
Nah, wishes or other high-powered magicks automagically disregard or patch together any paradoxes that might occur if players attempt to invoke real-world philosophy or logic. Game over.

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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:47 pm

Jeffery St. Clair wrote:
Nah, wishes or other high-powered magicks automagically disregard or patch together any paradoxes that might occur if players attempt to invoke real-world philosophy or logic. Game over.

Says who? I'm the Castle Keeper.
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Jeffery St. Clair · Post by **Jeffery St. Clair** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:57 am

Not in my game, you're not... Of course, in my game no character could ever have become so ridiculous in the first place. 8)

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