Original Castle & Crusade Map

robertsconley · Post by **robertsconley** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:29 am

In the introduction to the original Dungeon & Dragons, it talks about a map put out by the old Castles & Crusades society that has a Great Kingdom on it.

Does anybody have a scan or image of this map.

Thanks

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:40 pm

I do not have one, but if I am thinking of the right thing, it does exist. I believe I saw it on the internets somewhere as a scan. Good luck finding it. And if you do, please let us know where you found it. Thanks.

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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:16 pm

I think you might be confusing this map with the Blackmoor players map that DA had made available on his site while he was still living.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:19 pm

You might have to get a hold of one called Grodog. In my experience if its Greyhawk info you're after, he's the best hope in finding out about it/knowing about it.

No disrespect to anyone here, of course.
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robertsconley · Post by **robertsconley** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:11 pm

Actually it is not for Greyhawk Info but rather going back to the source with the idea of making new version for present day gamers to use free of entanglements with Wizards.

For example of what I mean James Mishler figured out how Arneson's reference to using Old Dutch Maps worked. I then repeated the process and created Blackmarsh. Of course it is really Blackmoor but I think it is nice to have it out there for people to us.

robertsconley · Post by **robertsconley** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:12 pm

When I did my review of First Fantasy Campaign, I intended on finding an old Dutch Map and drawing it up as a fantasy map as the final post. But alas I couldn't quite figure out which old dutch map to use or how it looked anything like Blackmoor.

But now thanks to James Mishler of Adventures in Gaming, I get how it was used.
http://jamesmishler.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... -maps.html

The map James shows it a bit too low res. So after some searching I find this map.

High Resolution
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mFjy4EWzmtg/S ... ansoni.jpg

After clipping and flipping I got my proto blackmoor area. Following James' ideas leads to the following map.

High Resolution
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mFjy4EWzmtg/S ... kmarsh.jpg

So now I want to apply the same idea to the Castle & Crusades map.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:19 am

Have not heard of the Great Kingdom . . but have you seen this on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_%26_Crusade_Society

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robertsconley · Post by **robertsconley** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:55 am

Yes. What I am looking for the map referred too in the introduction of original Dungeons & Dragons.

Quote:
"ONCE UPON A TIME, long, long ago there was a little group known as the Castle and Crusade Society. Their fantasy rules were published, and to this writer's knowledge, brought about much of the current interest in fantasy wargaming. For a time the group grew and prospered, and Dave Arneson decided to begin a medieval fantasy campaign game for his active Twin Cities club. From the map of the "land" of the "Great Kingdom" and environs the territory of the C & C Society Dave located a nice bog wherein to nest the weird enclave of "Blackmoor", a spot between the "Great Kingdom" and the fearsome "Egg of Coot". From the CHAINMAIL fantasy rules he drew ideas for a far more complex and exciting game, and thus began a campaign which still thrives as of this writing! In due course the news reached my ears, and the result is what you have in your hands at this moment. While the C & C Society is no longer, its spirit lives on, and we believe that all wargamers who are interested in the medieval period, not just fantasy buffs, will enjoy playing DUNGEONS and DRAGONS. Its possibilities go far beyond any previous offerings anywhere!

Hrolfgar · Post by **Hrolfgar** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:13 am

I got all excited when I seen this threads title, hoping someone was posting a scan or something . Ever since '76 I have wanted to see this map.

Maybe you could ask one of Gary's or Dave Arneson's old players
Or anyone else still around who was in the old C&C society.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:20 am

OK, then if I'm understanding this . . it's gotta be a Blackmoor map.

This:
http://www.acaeum.com/library/blackmoor.html

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:21 am

OH and that's from issue #13 of the C&C Society Domesday Book.
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