New version of WFRP

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:58 am

Treebore wrote:
BTW, the card info IS IN THE BOOKS TOO! So far the books read identical to the cards, but there may still be exceptions we have yet to find. We have only compared maybe a dozen cards so far.

Actually, that's quite good to know. I didn't mind the idea that space would be conserved in the book by simply having an ability's description on the card only. In fact, I would prefer that it would be in both places. Perhaps this means that a compendium of some sort will be available in the future, once FFG releases some more material.

Also, the addition of the pdf files on rpgnow and other places is nice. I guess that the only really necessary component besides the pdf's would be the dice. If everything's laid out in the book and cards are just used for ease-of-reference, then this shouldn't be a problem. Hell, some folks have already starting putting out traditional character sheets that have the stance track incorporated, negating the need for the class card sheets that come in the core set.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:32 am

Well, don't get your hopes up yet, someone else is insisting that the card info is not all in the books and that I apparently just got lucky in checking the ones that happen to be. So wait until I have time to check all of them.
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Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:29 pm

Treebore wrote:
Well, don't get your hopes up yet, someone else is insisting that the card info is not all in the books and that I apparently just got lucky in checking the ones that happen to be. So wait until I have time to check all of them.

It's ok. I'm fine with it either way, as I'm just happy that the information is there. If all of the card info happens to be in the books, great. If not, then big deal.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:33 pm

I wish I could comment properly on this, but I've not made the time to slog through the material in full yet. It's a lot to take in, but Im used to FFG games and their time investment/learning curve so it's just a matter of rolling up my sleeves and wading in there. I've been more interested in Dragon Age lately, but that will pass in time and then I can get down to business with this set.

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:51 pm

Came home during lunch to put out the trash and grab a bite...and with a hump like a snow hill, thar she blows!!!

I'll probably just take the main book back to the office and thumb through it a little bit, but I won't be able to really check everything out until after my son goes to bed and I get back from the gym.

I had seen the contents from one of the demo boxes, so I'm not really surprised at the quality of the contents. Now it's just time to actually try the damn thing out.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:39 pm

I've been officially "broken in", I dropped all the frikkin cards and had to pick them all up. I have them in rubber bands now.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:42 pm

We created characters last night. It somewhat reminded me of Warhammer Quest in that attributes begin at all being a 2, then you point buy up from there. Plus you use your points to buy Talents, actions, skills, spells, etc... Humans get 25 points and the rest get 20.

It felt pretty much like PC gen in 2E, just a few extra things to consider, such as stress, fatigue, stances, etc... Still, over all, I think it was less complex because many of the cards could be given to various players, so we weren't all fighting over the one book. Only two of the decks had any competition over them.

So impressions on character creation: Good, not much different than 2E, and possibly even less time consuming.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:15 am

If there is no way to change careers, it is nothing like Warhammer.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:03 am

serleran wrote:
If there is no way to change careers, it is nothing like Warhammer.

There are advanced careers.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:47 pm

You can move from basic career to basic or advanced career as per 2nd edition or 1st ed. The career cards are pretty and nice, but making your own new careers will be made more difficult since you would put them on index cards or printed cardstock and they would stand out like sore thumbs during random character career selection. They would work fine as a non starting career however. I like all of the cool bits in this box but grow more skeptical as I (slowly) read through the books. This game looks more and more like a very divergent style of RPG gaming than my preferred. Doesn't mean I wont try it (at this price point, I damn sure will!) or even like it. Just means that I will need a mindset change in order to properly run this game. We will see if I stick with 2e or decide to make the 3e switch after that. 2e was a favorite of mine. As cool as the specialized dice are, nobody in my group except mcbain owns a set and will have to order their own in order to facilitate any plans for long term gaming. I am definitely used to this from FFG, as their games are chock full of proprietary gaming goodies, but it's yet another thing to have to buy to support the ever more expensive hobby of tabletop gaming. The better (new) board games are increasingly more expensive and even RPGs are going that direction. Look at WFRP 3e or the (eventual) 4 boxes of the 30.00 dollar US per box Dragon Age RPG by Green Ronin (which I have already begun buying into). GAH!

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:08 pm

Something I have posted on other boards:

Something I pointed out on another forum:

The price hurdle isn't bad if you break it down. The bad part is your buying everything at one time.

Your buying about $38 in dice. Assuming the typical $1/dice I see at retail.

$40 or more in books, if sold separately. (edit: just looked at the books again, and going by Paizo pricing they are $70 worth of books)

At the VERY LEAST $30 in cards, probably more like $40 or $50. Again, compared to Paizo's card decks.

and about $10 in tokens.

Plus about $12 for the box, token stands, character boxes, etc...

So your actually getting about $110 to $150 ($140 to $180 after edited book values) worth of stuff if bought individually, so its actually a pretty good deal. Then combine that with the Amazon pre order deal of $63 which I got, it becomes a pretty awesome deal.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:17 pm

Value for what you get was never an issue for me with this box. It's obviously got lots of goodies packed inside. What Im addressing is actual cost. Even at 63 dollars (Amazon pricing), it's part of an increasingly escalating price point for games. When you factor in that some folks (like myself), bought it and may or may not end up liking it enough to use long-term, it's prohibitively priced. Arguments can be made against this, I would not dispute that. From my perspective as someone that bought it and am unsure of its long term viability for my group, the price is an issue. If your group is larger than 4 players, the price escalates further, even if your solution is to only purchase an extra set of dice. If you end up loving the game, the price is just fine. If not, and not having access to a free introductory online PDF, this could be seen as a negative trend for RPGs. Personally, Im still undecided on this game and will remain so until I get a game or three under my belt.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:06 am

Played this today for several hours. I am about to start playing in nwelte's game, so actual impressions, etc.... will have to wait. For now I will tell you that over all I think I am going to like it.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:09 pm

You know, I was going to write up a bit of a review, but then I read this blog, and realized he says it so much better:
http://community.wizards.com/wotc_rodne ... s_on_wfrp3
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