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I ordered World War Cthulhu, from Chaosium's big sale recently. I'm hoping to pull ideas from that book to run a campaign of Amazing Adventures. I love the idea of a British commando/secret agent type group fighting both the Nazis and the mythos, seems like it would be a great bet for AA.

Any thoughts on that cross-over?


Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:56 pm
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Hey, anything works with Nazis! ;)

Though your descript reminds me of a story I read in a collection called "Hitler Triumphant." In this anthology, writers took various views on what would the world look like if Hitler had won WWII.

Anyway, one of the stories was called "Thor meets Captain America." In this tale its 1965 and the US navy is being slaughtered in the Atlantic while Commandos are being landed on the German coast to kill the Furher....Odin.

Apparently the death camps were a source of Necromantic magic and Hitler had used it all to bring the Norse gods to fight on Germany's behalf. Which meant most of Europe was occupied, Africa was being consumed by Fire Giants, and Japan had allied itself with the USA to fight the German menace.

Oddly enough (or not if you know your Norse myths), Loki was fighting with the Allies against Asgardian Germany. Hitler was quietly packed away to a sanitarium and the Third Reich was remade into a weird dystopia of technology and ancient Viking rites.

I won't spoil the surprise ending, or the big reveal...but I'd suggest reading it if you wanted a good idea for World War Cthulhu!

Mike

Edit: Here's a link to the book

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Triumphant ... 1_1&sr=1-1

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Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:58 pm
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DMMike wrote:
Hey, anything works with Nazis! ;)

...Anyway, one of the stories was called "Thor meets Captain America." In this tale its 1965 and the US navy is being slaughtered in the Atlantic while Commandos are being landed on the German coast to kill the Furher....Odin.

Apparently the death camps were a source of Necromantic magic and Hitler had used it all to bring the Norse gods to fight on Germany's behalf. Which meant most of Europe was occupied, Africa was being consumed by Fire Giants, and Japan had allied itself with the USA to fight the German menace.

Oddly enough (or not if you know your Norse myths), Loki was fighting with the Allies against Asgardian Germany. Hitler was quietly packed away to a sanitarium and the Third Reich was remade into a weird dystopia of technology and ancient Viking rites.

I won't spoil the surprise ending, or the big reveal...but I'd suggest reading it if you wanted a good idea for World War Cthulhu!

Mike


I'm normally not a fan of alternative history books, but that does sound interesting ... However, the thought of Loki being on 'our' side makes my eye twitch a bit :)

That reminds me, I was listening to a history lecture, I knew Hitler etc was raciest etc - The whole Arian supremacy thing - however, I didn't know how deep his like for Pagan/Germanic folklore was. Having listened to the whole Ring Cycle multiple times and some other points that surprised me. With that the short story you mentioned makes sense ...

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Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:16 pm
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I'm normally not a fan of alternative history books, but that does sound interesting ... However, the thought of Loki being on 'our' side makes my eye twitch a bit :)

That reminds me, I was listening to a history lecture, I knew Hitler etc was raciest etc - The whole Arian supremacy thing - however, I didn't know how deep his like for Pagan/Germanic folklore was. Having listened to the whole Ring Cycle multiple times and some other points that surprised me. With that the short story you mentioned makes sense ...


Yeah, Hitler had a deep mistrust of Christianity because he considered it a faith of the 'weak.' Not at all fitting with the super-macho Herrenvolk. :P

But then his world view was mostly colored by small town Austria, Eugenics ideas that had been disproven as far back as the 1910s, and American Western Dime store novels.

I kid you not. His view of German expansion in Russia was very similar to the Wild West USA. He viewed stout Germanic (Aryan) settlers building towns with nearby forts to fight off the local 'savages' (Slavs)...who would inevitably be killed off or forced to a 'reservation' beyond the Urals.

...and whatever you think of him, he got elected! :P

Mike, non-Aryan and proud of it!

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DMMike,

Thanks for the book tip. I gotta admit I hate alternative histories that try to create a 'realistic scholarly' look at what ifs. There is more real history to read than I'll ever get to in a lifetime, I've no time to waste on a what-if. Plus the few I've read I didn't agree with, so I end up frustrated! LOL. However if the alternative adds in the supernatural, or Gods, or science fiction elements or something that take it away from a scholarly outlook I can have fun with it. So the Odin/norse god take might make it readable for me.


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There's a few in that book, but most are not really 'scholarly' and are instead Specific; much like World War Cthulhu I'd imagine. ;)

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DMMike wrote:


Yeah, Hitler had a deep mistrust of Christianity because he considered it a faith of the 'weak.' Not at all fitting with the super-macho Herrenvolk. :P

But then his world view was mostly colored by small town Austria, Eugenics ideas that had been disproven as far back as the 1910s, and American Western Dime store novels.

I kid you not. His view of German expansion in Russia was very similar to the Wild West USA. He viewed stout Germanic (Aryan) settlers building towns with nearby forts to fight off the local 'savages' (Slavs)...who would inevitably be killed off or forced to a 'reservation' beyond the Urals.

...

Mike, non-Aryan and proud of it!




Yet, he was quick to 'corrupt' the church - tell them to have his picture next to Jesus' or else you get the Bonheoffer treatment etc. As such even more fitting to include Nazi with Cthulu ancient old one evil sects.


Rgr on his view of the East/Russia. I always thought it odd to picture someone who had an Air Force, Tanks, etc etc etc picturing the world in view of the "Wild West" Especially the wild west of the dime store novel.

DMMike wrote:


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...and whatever you think of him, he got elected! :P

Mike, non-Aryan and proud of it!



Again, chasing the rabbit back to the lectures I listened to over the weekend and today ... He proves Aristotle correct in listing Democracy as one of the bad forms of government!

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Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:17 am
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Yep, that's why Nazis are virtually mandatory for pulp. As they say in Mississippi, "They needed killin!" ;)

Did your lecturer note the polygamy planned for after the war? The idea was that so many German men were killed that it was 'unfair' for women to not have a chance to bear children. So, those who got the Iron Cross second class could legally have 2 wives. Iron Cross first class, 3, and Iron Cross w/Oak Leaves 4 wives. LOL

Nazi Germany WAS really like a whole other planet!

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DMMike wrote:

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Did your lecturer note the polygamy planned for after the war? The idea was that so many German men were killed that it was 'unfair' for women to not have a chance to bear children. So, those who got the Iron Cross second class could legally have 2 wives. Iron Cross first class, 3, and Iron Cross w/Oak Leaves 4 wives. LOL

Nazi Germany WAS really like a whole other planet!

Mike


Yeah, unfair to not be allowed to further breed for the father land.

I hadn't herd that, but I did hear that the marriages for the SS officers etc were basically arraigned. SS were the perfect German, so they needed perfect wives, of perfect blood line, to make perfect little blond haired blue eyed whelps.

Wait, why punish war heroes with multiple wives that are going to all nag him and be unhappy .... :D

The reason is Very similar to the original Muslim reason to have multiple wives (well the reason for the common people, it was always ok for the kings etc have them)

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DMMike wrote:
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I won't spoil the surprise ending, or the big reveal...but I'd suggest reading it if you wanted a good idea for World War Cthulhu!

Mike

Edit: Here's a link to the book

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Triumphant ... 1_1&sr=1-1



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