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I started a new campaign yesterday and decided to start using encumbrance. In short, my players hated it. I searched the forums here to see what others were using and found that some folks use the LotFP system. I downloaded the free PDF of the rules and adapted the encumbrance system slightly for C&C which I've listed below. Let me know what you think.

I believe this is allowed per the OGL statement in the LotFP PDF. If I'm violating any policies, please let me know and I'll remove this.

Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 2* 0
Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 3* +1
Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 4* +2
Carrying 6 - 10 items** +1
Carrying 11 - 15 items** +2
Carrying 21 or more items** +3
Carrying an oversized item*** +1 per item

Modifiers
-1 point if STR is a prime
-1 point if CON is a prime
-1 point if a dwarf
-1 for expert or magic armor

* Armor only counts towards this category

** Multiple small items of the same type (spikes, arrows, etc.) count as one item for this purpose.
Worn clothing/armor/jewelry does not count for encumbrance purposes. All weapons count as separate items. Very small single items do not count for encumbrance purposes. Oversized items are counted separately.

***Oversized items include great and other two-handed weapons, any item that requires two hands to carry or is as tall as the carrying character.

Encumbrance Points Encumbrance (See C&C PH for encumbrance penalties)
0 - 1 None
2 Light
3 Moderate
4 Heavy
5+ Overburdened

Hey, Demi. I've been wanting to post on this thread but I didn't want to be the first. But since you wanted a some feedback, and yet to receive any, I figure I'll post. Unfortunately, I don't havve much good advice on this subject...which why I haven't posted in the first place. I don't know what it is about the system, I don't like it. Maybe it's me, but it's even more abstract than the C&C method, in my opinion. There seems to be a lot of conditions that you have to keep track of (am I over 5 items? over 10 items? converting EVs, keeping track of whether primes and races then possibly have that come back later to haunt you when your weight doesn't add up).

I don't know, maybe I'm dumping on it a little too hard. If so, I apologize. I'm considering doing something different also but not quite sure what yet. I was thinking of using the 2e AD&D method (not the larger table, but the smaller one) but for now I'm sticking with RAW. In the end, if you like it and see it as a viable option then I say go for it.

No worries, LD. I'm not really sure if it works for me either. My players bemoaned C&C encumbrance so I'm exploring alternatives.

I'll dig out my 2e books and take a look at that system as well.

Yeah, my players did the same. What I've been looking at from 2e, the Character Encumberance chart (in the original "horseman" cover, it's page 76) in the "Equipment" section. Since C&C uses the same categories ("None" for "Unencumbered" and "Overburdened" for "Severe") one could use the chart in the 2e AD&D PHB and use encumberance modifiers from the C&C PHB (page 48, 4th print).

So, your fighter with a 16 Strength is carrying 112 pound of gear and equipment. Using the AD&D chart, we figure he is Moderately Encumbered. Using the C&C modifiers for this, we find his movement is reduced by half and suffers a +2 on all Dex-based checks.

I'll have to check out the 2E way. I don't have the late 80's cores. I suppose the 2.5 book was the same?

tylermo wrote:I'll have to check out the 2E way. I don't have the late 80's cores. I suppose the 2.5 book was the same?

It should be. Mechanics were, more or less, the same.

EDIT: I wasn't thinking Player's Option when I read your post. Now I am, though, and yes Table 54 in S&P is the same (though a little condensed) as Table 47 from the PHB (1st iteration).