Is the rogue "hosed" ?

[Treebore]

Its Rogue, not rouge. Rouge is the color red in French.

Uff da! I always do that!

Your far from the only to spell it that way.

[Arduin]

Its Rogue, not rouge. Rouge is the color red in French.

Uff da! I always do that!

Your far from the only to spell it that way.

That would be You're not Your.

[Treebore]

Its Rogue, not rouge. Rouge is the color red in French.

Uff da! I always do that!

Your far from the only to spell it that way.

That would be You're not Your.

No, he "owns" his mistake. So I am right.

[Arduin]

No, he "owns" his mistake. So I am right.

[Buttmonkey]

I didn't feel that the rogue was "hosed." however, I did increase their BtH to be the same as a cleric and I added studded leather to his armor list. The BtH increase was because I felt 4 different BtHs was not necessary and the added armor was because, in my mind, studded leather makes sense for a rogue.

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I've not altered the base attack, but I have added the ability to wear studded leather (and for the life of me, I'm not sure why that's not on thier "allowed" armor list).

I don't have Studded Leather in my game. (studded didn't really exist as it would be pointless.) Ring mail is as close as one can get.

True, and Ring Mail is the same (+3) as studded leather, and what RPG's refer to as studded leather did not exist in the real world. What is most likely the inspiration for studded leather is brigandine (or jack) armor, which had small metal plates between pieces of leather, the studs were to hold the plates in place.

That said, I use studded leather in my games, not caring that it didn't really exist. After all Dragons, Elves, Orcs, and such didn't exist either...

One thing I house ruled was to dump the armor listings from C&C and go back to the traditional armor options from 1E. I don't see a need for a Greek ensemble or the other fiddly armor options. Scale mail is as fiddly as I want to deal with.

One idea I'm toying with is allowing rogues to wear better armor types without any penalty to thieving skills as a class ability at high level. To just throw something out there, maybe at 8th level, a rogue can wear studded leather; at 12th level, they can wear ring mail; etc.

[Arduin]

One idea I'm toying with is allowing rogues to wear better armor types without any penalty to thieving skills as a class ability at high level. To just throw something out there, maybe at 8th level, a rogue can wear studded leather; at 12th level, they can wear ring mail; etc.

Not bad. But you may want to give fighter types some rogue abilities at higher level...

[koralas]

Just to stoke the fire, because I think that this is a great discussion here, suggesting, all hypothetical, you play super awesome long campaigns do you put the level cap on the rogue or do you extend it so that, just guessing here, that when the wizard hits level 24 the rogue is like level 35

Arduin has said this before... cap XP not level.

I like it, would you then just calculate out the levels past where your text stops then?

Not quite sure what you are asking. But what I would do, is pick your preferred "max level" (I will use 20th for the examples) then do one of the following -

• Find the character requiring the most XP (the Paladin), and cap XP at the minimum for that level, Pal/20-3,350,001
  • Bard - 26
  • Knight - 25
  • Druid - 25
  • Cleric - 21
  • Ill - 28
  • Wiz - 21
  • Monk - 20
  • Barbarian - 23
  • Assassin - 30
  • Rogue - 34
  • Ranger - 22
  • Fighter - 21
• Average the XP of all classes for the chosen level, 2,511,540
  • Paladin - 17
  • Bard - 22
  • Knight - 21
  • Druid - 22
  • Cleric - 18
  • Ill - 23
  • Wiz - 18
  • Monk - 17
  • Barbarian - 19
  • Assassin - 25
  • Rogue - 28
  • Ranger - 18
  • Fighter - 18