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dcfitch wrote:I am new to C&C and I only just recently got my PHB and M&T. I don't see any rules for critical hits in the PHB. Does the CKG have this option? I plan to get the CKG, but need to wait until next payday
Yes, that is an apt comparison especially if you play by RAW on Char Gen, etc.dcfitch wrote:I did roll up my first character (Human Ranger, "Breddolan") and made him fight a single Orc. Breddolan lost two fights...quickly...before he finally squeaked out a victory (and he was only at 1 HP that time as well). I see how deadly the system can be. Reminds me of AD&D 1e at low levels.
When I was deciding upon a retro clone (that is, when I had enough of 4e masquerading as D&Ddcfitch wrote:I certainly don't mind a deadly system. Especially at low levels. It can make the game more exciting. I just like the "reward" and excitement of a natural 20 when it is given a special consequence. I look forward to buying and reading the CKG. I am thoroughly enjoying my introduction to C&C. It is beginning to challenge my beloved Dungeon Crawl Classics as my favorite rpg
), C&C and DCC were the two I looked at. I elected C&C largely because DCC went a little "to old school" for me with the "races as classes" thing. Looked a bit more complicted than C&C as well, and I really wanted a rules-light game that put the power back where it belongs, behind the screen.Now, that sounds workable without being overkillLobo316 wrote: Welcome aboard, and for the record, this is what I do for criticals...
Critical Hits (natural 20): Max damage +1d4 and gain “advantage” on your next attack roll (roll 2D20 and select the higher result). This attack does not have to be against the same target.
Critical Fumbles (natural 1): You grant "advantage" to your opponent(s). Until your next initiative (enemies attacking you roll 2D20 and select the higher result). For ranged attacks, projectile may hit an ally, or some other mishap, bowstring snaps, etc. Saving throws and siege checks “under duress” automatically fail on a natural 1.
Yeah, its a DnD Next idea that I liked, and have wondered about how to use it in C&C. Crits and misses are a good option.Arduin wrote:Now, that sounds workable without being overkillLobo316 wrote: Welcome aboard, and for the record, this is what I do for criticals...
Critical Hits (natural 20): Max damage +1d4 and gain “advantage” on your next attack roll (roll 2D20 and select the higher result). This attack does not have to be against the same target.
Critical Fumbles (natural 1): You grant "advantage" to your opponent(s). Until your next initiative (enemies attacking you roll 2D20 and select the higher result). For ranged attacks, projectile may hit an ally, or some other mishap, bowstring snaps, etc. Saving throws and siege checks “under duress” automatically fail on a natural 1.
Yes, I saw that from the play test materials. I like this very limited usage of it. It is WAY over relied upon in Next imo.Treebore wrote:
Yeah, its a DnD Next idea that I liked, and have wondered about how to use it in C&C. Crits and misses are a good option.
It will be interesting to see the final rules after the input is digested, etc.Treebore wrote:Yeah, thats been one of my concerns too, that they would use it too often.
TheMetal1 wrote: Question though for all of you. I have Rolemaster Classic and would love to figure out a way to use their tables and charts as an Add-on to C&C. Anyone do a conversion for this or looked at it? Thanks.
1. You crush your own trachea. Your voice is now two octaves lower.
2. You amputate your own arm. It writhes for a while before falling still. 2 days later, it reanimates as a zombie arm and relentlessly attempts to strangle you.
3. You trip and fall off the nearest cliff, no matter how far away it is.
4. You spontaneously combust.
5. You flail wildly, inadvertently giving yourself a sexy new haircut.
6. You miss so hard that your future self comes back through time to bitchslap you.
7. Your weapon gets completely stuck in the ground. You cannot remove it no matter how hard you try. 5 years later, it has grown into a thriving weapon tree. Centuries from now, the weapon forest will be a natural wonder. And then treants will animate them and destroy us all.
8. You whiff and split an atom.
9. You lose your grip on your weapon. It flies through the air and hits a tree. This frightens a beautiful bird, which soars out of the tree, majestically twisting through the air. As you gaze upon it, you get momentarily philosophical, until your intended target renovates your skull.
10. You lop off your own head. You eventually fall into a rewarding career as a headless horseman, but always wonder what could have been.
11. You miss so hard that your attack travels through time and assassinates Lincoln.
12. You accidentally slash your own wrists. At least, you tell us it was an accident.
13. With a flurry of precision strikes, you somehow give yourself a flawless sex change operation.
14. You put out your own eye. You embrace the disfigurement, beocoming a notorious pirate. For years you terrorize the seas, hording treasure, pillaging ports and murdering innocents. One day, for just a moment, you seem to recognize one of the nameless civilians you are about to kill, as though you knew them, long ago. As soon as it came, the feeling, like their heartbeat, ceases.
15. It turns out you are not holding your weapon, but rather, an angry crab.
16. You give yourself a black eye. Everyone assumes your significant other is beating you. Your significant other starts frequently beating you, because hey, might as well.
17. Your weapon gets lodged in your pancreas.
18. Your pancreas gets lodged in your weapon.
19. Your weapon spontaneously animates. It does nothing but constantly sing catchy songs. At first it is enjoyable and quirky. Soon, it begins to grate. Eventually, in a fit of rage, you shout at your weapon to be quiet. It never sings again. It only sulks quietly, letting out the occasional sigh of pure sadness. Your guilty heart shrivels to the size of a cashew, and you become a lifeless, sullen entity, never again feeling the true touch of joy.
20. You miss. Probably because you didn't believe in yourself. Ass.
These are hilarious.Litzen Tallister wrote: 11. You miss so hard that your attack travels through time and assassinates Lincoln.
14. You put out your own eye. You embrace the disfigurement, becoming a notorious pirate. For years you terrorize the seas, hording treasure, pillaging ports and murdering innocents. One day, for just a moment, you seem to recognize one of the nameless civilians you are about to kill, as though you knew them, long ago. As soon as it came, the feeling, like their heartbeat, ceases.
16. You give yourself a black eye. Everyone assumes your significant other is beating you. Your significant other starts frequently beating you, because hey, might as well.
17. Your weapon gets lodged in your pancreas.
18. Your pancreas gets lodged in your weapon.
Litzen Tallister wrote:Critical hits (natural 20s, which has spawned the term "unnatural 20" for rolls of 20 including whatever ability modifiers apply) I've handled as max damage. Critical fumbles tend to be used more creatively as whatever oops fits best. However, my gaming group suggested this chart (though I'm not sure of its origins):
1. You crush your own trachea. Your voice is now two octaves lower.
2. You amputate your own arm. It writhes for a while before falling still. 2 days later, it reanimates as a zombie arm and relentlessly attempts to strangle you.
3. You trip and fall off the nearest cliff, no matter how far away it is.
4. You spontaneously combust.
5. You flail wildly, inadvertently giving yourself a sexy new haircut.
6. You miss so hard that your future self comes back through time to bitchslap you.
7. Your weapon gets completely stuck in the ground. You cannot remove it no matter how hard you try. 5 years later, it has grown into a thriving weapon tree. Centuries from now, the weapon forest will be a natural wonder. And then treants will animate them and destroy us all.
8. You whiff and split an atom.
9. You lose your grip on your weapon. It flies through the air and hits a tree. This frightens a beautiful bird, which soars out of the tree, majestically twisting through the air. As you gaze upon it, you get momentarily philosophical, until your intended target renovates your skull.
10. You lop off your own head. You eventually fall into a rewarding career as a headless horseman, but always wonder what could have been.
11. You miss so hard that your attack travels through time and assassinates Lincoln.
12. You accidentally slash your own wrists. At least, you tell us it was an accident.
13. With a flurry of precision strikes, you somehow give yourself a flawless sex change operation.
14. You put out your own eye. You embrace the disfigurement, beocoming a notorious pirate. For years you terrorize the seas, hording treasure, pillaging ports and murdering innocents. One day, for just a moment, you seem to recognize one of the nameless civilians you are about to kill, as though you knew them, long ago. As soon as it came, the feeling, like their heartbeat, ceases.
15. It turns out you are not holding your weapon, but rather, an angry crab.
16. You give yourself a black eye. Everyone assumes your significant other is beating you. Your significant other starts frequently beating you, because hey, might as well.
17. Your weapon gets lodged in your pancreas.
18. Your pancreas gets lodged in your weapon.
19. Your weapon spontaneously animates. It does nothing but constantly sing catchy songs. At first it is enjoyable and quirky. Soon, it begins to grate. Eventually, in a fit of rage, you shout at your weapon to be quiet. It never sings again. It only sulks quietly, letting out the occasional sigh of pure sadness. Your guilty heart shrivels to the size of a cashew, and you become a lifeless, sullen entity, never again feeling the true touch of joy.
20. You miss. Probably because you didn't believe in yourself. Ass.
It's actually a combination inspired by a critical rule from the CKG (the max damage + 1d4, option A, p. 251) and yes, indeed...D&D next. I was very much intrigued with the idea (like you guys "in a limited format") so thought I'd use it for my critical system. Does add a certain flair and air of excitement when you know you've got advantage on your next attack roll (and little tension when you know you've left youself "exposed", granted combat advantage, on a natural 1).Treebore wrote:Yeah, its a DnD Next idea that I liked, and have wondered about how to use it in C&C. Crits and misses are a good option.Arduin wrote:Now, that sounds workable without being overkillLobo316 wrote: Welcome aboard, and for the record, this is what I do for criticals...
Critical Hits (natural 20): Max damage +1d4 and gain “advantage” on your next attack roll (roll 2D20 and select the higher result). This attack does not have to be against the same target.
Critical Fumbles (natural 1): You grant "advantage" to your opponent(s). Until your next initiative (enemies attacking you roll 2D20 and select the higher result). For ranged attacks, projectile may hit an ally, or some other mishap, bowstring snaps, etc. Saving throws and siege checks “under duress” automatically fail on a natural 1.
For talking weapons, JourneyQuest is a great reference material...if one likes their talking weapons rude and obnoxious.Fiffergrund wrote: Which makes me think I'll give someone in my campaign a talking weapon. That only talks when the owner is alone.