dachda wrote:My problem with this discussion is the rather disproven notion that torture will successfully retrieve any sort of useful information from its victims.
Be careful of "studies" when upon any thoughtful reflection, they contravene basic logic.
dachda, if you hid your automobile and someone tied you down and started cutting off parts of your body until you disclosed its location, would you tell them its location or, stoically refuse? Be honest.
(In other words, if you already haven't figured it out, if the person has data and the interrogator knows what to ask for, valuable data can be obtained.)
In your scenario I'd have no reason not to tell someone who was threatening me, so of course I would. Now, would I tell if my wife's life depended on the car staying hidden? or my kids? I'd resist then lie to get them to stop while they checked out my info, and prepare myself to deal with more. I'd keep resisting to keep my family alive, you better believe it. I'm sure you would too. But of course, this is a rather nonsense scenario as I'm sure you'd agree.
And to me, it contravenes basic logic, to think you will get accurate, properly actionable information by torturing a person with a reason not to tell the truth, even if there was some magically way to know absolutely, that person actually knew the information you wanted.
dachda wrote:My problem with this discussion is the rather disproven notion that torture will successfully retrieve any sort of useful information from its victims.
Be careful of "studies" when upon any thoughtful reflection, they contravene basic logic.
dachda, if you hid your automobile and someone tied you down and started cutting off parts of your body until you disclosed its location, would you tell them its location or, stoically refuse? Be honest.
(In other words, if you already haven't figured it out, if the person has data and the interrogator knows what to ask for, valuable data can be obtained.)
In your scenario I'd have no reason not to tell someone who was threatening me, so of course I would. Now, would I tell if my wife's life depended on the car staying hidden? or my kids? I'd resist then lie to get them to stop while they checked out my info, and prepare myself to deal with more. I'd keep resisting to keep my family alive, you better believe it.
I'm afraid that you have ZERO real world knowledge of this and, even worse, false info from the propaganda ministry. Torture has been used successfully by the US in every war since WW1. Just because a propaganda organ says otherwise is no reason to throw logic out the window.
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dachda wrote:My problem with this discussion is the rather disproven notion that torture will successfully retrieve any sort of useful information from its victims.
Be careful of "studies" when upon any thoughtful reflection, they contravene basic logic.
dachda, if you hid your automobile and someone tied you down and started cutting off parts of your body until you disclosed its location, would you tell them its location or, stoically refuse? Be honest.
(In other words, if you already haven't figured it out, if the person has data and the interrogator knows what to ask for, valuable data can be obtained.)
In your scenario I'd have no reason not to tell someone who was threatening me, so of course I would. Now, would I tell if my wife's life depended on the car staying hidden? or my kids? I'd resist then lie to get them to stop while they checked out my info, and prepare myself to deal with more. I'd keep resisting to keep my family alive, you better believe it.
I'm afraid that you have ZERO idea of what you speak. Torture has been used successfully by the US in every war since WW1. Just because a propaganda organ says otherwise is no reason to throw logic out the window.
Can you cite your sources that the US has been successfully using torture since WWI? I've never heard such a claim before, and am only willing to believe it if you can provide some believable citations to back up what I see as an extraordinary claim.
