Newbie Question: How does C&C handle trying again?

[Arduin]

To be fair, if you're not a hardcore fan of roleplaying games, the games are not exactly fun reading.

It's not that. When D&D came out, the players actually read the player's rule book, for the most part. It was true for any RPG I ran back then. It is the reading level that is the variable. Statistically speaking, people under 45 don't read anymore. (excepting comic books which have been relabeled "graphic novels".)

[KeyIXTheHermit]

I believe that is your experience. Mine's different. My wife reads far more than I do, for example she's read all the GoT novels, but I never will. She just finished the first three of the Sword of Shannara series. It's taken me 3 years to get through 7 John Carter novels. I can read, I can write, I know language... but it's not as easy as it used to be.

Game books, however, are easy. Easy like, say, Sunday morning, for example. I can just dive in and lose myself in them for hours.

My wife, who finishes a novel every week or two, cannot understand why, though. And all I can do is shrug and say, I like them.

This isn't the only experience I've had like this, either. I cannot just hand, say, D&D Cyclopedia to the average person and say, "We're gonna be playing this next week, so here, read this and learn it." They'll just look at me like I've grown a third head.

[Treebore]

Yeah, my wife reads several books per week, while I am lucky to read one per month, unless its an RPG book.

[mmbutter]

You want some tough reading? Try Advanced Squad Leader.

[Arduin]

You want some tough reading? Try Advanced Squad Leader.

Still have the ASL boxes up in the attic.

[Arduin]

I believe that is your experience. Mine's different.

It isn't "my experience", it is statistical fact.

Pew did a study about one year ago. "The number of non-book-readers has nearly tripled since 1978."

[KeyIXTheHermit]

Our comments are not mutually exclusive, Arduin.

I have no doubt that the number of non-readers has increased. Books are hard compared to tv shows, movies, video games, computer games, internet, and so on.

However, of the remaining readers there are, people out there who enjoy reading, they don't want to read a 300 page rulebook filled with hobby-speak unless they're into the hobby to a high enough degree. And that's pretty much DM's. The players who just come to the table to play have other things to do. Those that don't read aren't going to read anything. Those that do read aren't going to read a book of game rules.

[Arduin]

Our comments are not mutually exclusive, Arduin.

My comment has nothing to do with "the remaining readers". Simply, the total % of readers, in ALL areas, being in steep decline.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

My comment has nothing to do with "the remaining readers". Simply, the total % of readers, in ALL areas, being in steep decline.

Ah, my misunderstanding! My comment was about the difficulty of getting people to read the game rulebooks, even those that enjoy reading.

We were having two different conversations. I see it now. My apologies.

[Tadhg]

I believe that is your experience. Mine's different.

It isn't "my experience", it is statistical fact.

Pew did a study about one year ago. "The number of non-book-readers has nearly tripled since 1978."

Is this your "statistical fact":

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... er/283222/

An opinionated website mentioning PEW and Gallop (but not really supporting your assertion) in a poorly written article and all over the place with regard to faux stats - dude, please due diligent research before spewing your own opinion using BS statistical facts, OK!

First of all, polls/surveys are never statistical facts. Usually small percentages of people respond to a polls and their questions . . so

that if you called 100 people and asked them if they read books, and 10% responded - and 4 out of 5 said no . . what the f'ing hell does that really mean?

80% of 10% surveyed don't read. You can't assume anything about the people that don't respond to polls.

Sheesh!

[Arduin]

Is this your "statistical fact":

The PEW study I examined a year ago is. From the Pew Research Center Try understanding the post I made before replying.

Once you understand the subject of Statistics, give me a call. It takes a few months of classroom study to get the hang of it.

[Tadhg]

Is this your "statistical fact":

The PEW study I examined a year ago is. From the Pew Research Center Try understanding the post I made before replying.

Once you understand the subject of Statistics, give me a call. It takes a few months of classroom study to get the hang of it.

Verbal vomiting by a pretended "know it all" cannot be understood!

First, list your sources . . or are you just another random internet person who googles and throws out BS to support your own beliefs and self perceived authority on everything . . as you seem to do with regularity!

[Arduin]

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Verbal vomiting by a pretended "know it all" cannot be understood!

Someone forgot to change your diaper sounds like... :lol

p.s. I listed the source. Reading is FUNdamental.

When you are done flinging poo around your cage I'll get back to you.

[Tadhg]

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Verbal vomiting by a pretended "know it all" cannot be understood!

Someone forgot to change your diaper sounds like... :lol

p.s. I listed the source. Reading is FUNdamental.

You listed nothing!

PEWC (rap) = puke rap.

They are quite guilty of "confirmation bias"!

Oh wait, so are you!!

Heh, that explains a lot.

[Tadhg]

Nevermind!

Apologies to KeyIXTheHermit for getting off-track in this thread.

[Treebore]

You guys do realize these are NOT the WOTC forums, or RPG.net, or ENWorld, or Dragonsfoot, right? Apologize and play nice, or go home until you can cool off. We don't post this crap around here.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

Apologies to KeyIXTheHermit for getting off-track in this thread.

Ah, it was entertaining, though... and isn't that the main reason we're all here?

Just sorry I got you guys in trouble! I guess it's time to play nice!

[Treebore]

Its always time to place nice on these forums. We like to maintain a nice, friendly, open atmosphere. Getting into little tiffs over things is never necessary.

[Snoring Rock]

There you go again Tree! always being nice. You NEVER get all riled up do you?

[serleran]

This thread requires way too much reading. Being that I am under 40, I am obligated to stop.

[Tadhg]

There you go again Tree! always being nice. You NEVER get all riled up do you?

Yep, not him! Oh wait, except for that time when he got into a tiff, got riled up and then was kicked off these forums!

[maximus]

This thread requires way too much reading. Being that I am under 40, I am obligated to stop.

Nice!

[Treebore]

There you go again Tree! always being nice. You NEVER get all riled up do you?

Yep, not him! Oh wait, except for that time when he got into a tiff, got riled up and then was kicked off these forums!

I was only kicked off for a 3 day "time out". I'm the one who left these forums for something like two years. Considering what the topic of discussion was, I'd be happy to be kicked off again over it.

[Lurker]

This thread requires way too much reading. Being that I am under 40, I am obligated to stop.

Nice!

You beat me to it!

[KeyIXTheHermit]

I was only kicked off for a 3 day "time out". I'm the one who left these forums for something like two years. Considering what the topic of discussion was, I'd be happy to be kicked off again over it.

That sounds ominous, Tree. It's a cool place here, but I've left bigger boards before. And I haven't been to RPG.net in over a decade, and have no intention to do so. I sincerely hope I don't run into that conversation any time soon.

[Treebore]

I was only kicked off for a 3 day "time out". I'm the one who left these forums for something like two years. Considering what the topic of discussion was, I'd be happy to be kicked off again over it.

That sounds ominous, Tree. It's a cool place here, but I've left bigger boards before. And I haven't been to RPG.net in over a decade, and have no intention to do so. I sincerely hope I don't run into that conversation any time soon.

I doubt we will. It was about the C&C Companion PDF, and the author doesn't come here anymore either. We chat via e-mail now a days.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

I doubt we will. It was about the C&C Companion PDF, and the author doesn't come here anymore either. We chat via e-mail now a days.

Okay, good to know. Can you PM me about the Companion issue? This isn't idle curiosity; if there's something about the companion that is causing problems, I'd like to know so that I don't rub salt in wounds. Just based on your one reply, I'm wondering if this is a thing like the Outlaw Press stink or something.

[Treebore]

I doubt we will. It was about the C&C Companion PDF, and the author doesn't come here anymore either. We chat via e-mail now a days.

Okay, good to know. Can you PM me about the Companion issue? This isn't idle curiosity; if there's something about the companion that is causing problems, I'd like to know so that I don't rub salt in wounds. Just based on your one reply, I'm wondering if this is a thing like the Outlaw Press stink or something.

You won't rub salt in any wounds. Thats why the Trolls do host it on their website.