Holy Water: WTF does it DO!?

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:05 pm

Really though, holy water could be used for so much more then splashing back-from-the-dead baddies. Think about the value of holy water to rural communities with no priests who need to baptise babies. Or what about the "mystical healing properties" that the devout sects of worshippers believes the water has? Holy Water can be a great deal more valuable in a game then just undead bane.

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Jason Vey · Post by **Jason Vey** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:27 pm

Omote wrote:
Really though, holy water could be used for so much more then splashing back-from-the-dead baddies. Think about the value of holy water to rural communities with no priests who need to baptise babies. Or what about the "mystical healing properties" that the devout sects of warshippers believes the water has? Holy Water can be a great deal more valuable in a game then just undead bane.

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I'm not questioning that...I am questioning the need to use a daily spell slot to make it. Without a mechanical game effect (which again, there is; it was just an accidental omission), it should simply state somewhere that "clerics can make holy water."

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:50 pm

Actually Jason, I'm really not even commenting anymore on the mechanics of it. My mind wanders from time to time and I was just thinking of other nifty things about Holy Water.

Wandering minds... sorry.

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Jason Vey · Post by **Jason Vey** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:03 pm

Omote wrote:
Actually Jason, I'm really not even commenting anymore on the mechanics of it. My mind wanders from time to time and I was just thinking of other nifty things about Holy Water.

Wandering minds... sorry.

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No big; I'm just continuing the discussion, is all

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:40 am

I am quite disappointed with the ease of manufacturing holy water. It used to require a couple priests, both of the same faith, and both of 3rd level or higher... now,its just something any rockabilly divine flagellator can spoon-feed his worshippers. For a hefty profit, too.

I'm glad no one asked about "unholy water" as such a term is redundant, really. Its holy water... just not the same kind as the "good guys" use.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:23 am

Unholy water... New Coke? Coincidence? I think not.

Now, unholy water. That is not a term I have actually very thought of before. Hmm, a damn fine idea Ser! I shall implement it immediatly!
A splash-splash here, a splash-splash there...

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pineappleleader · Post by **pineappleleader** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:40 am

serleran wrote:
I am quite disappointed with the ease of manufacturing holy water. It used to require a couple priests, both of the same faith, and both of 3rd level or higher... now,its just something any rockabilly divine flagellator can spoon-feed his worshippers. For a hefty profit, too.

Step Right Up Folks! Get your Holy Water here. Good for what ails you. Cures Fields Complaint.
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:06 pm

Lurker wrote:
I like both ideas.

I've also let a party keep at bay an intelligent undead after splashing them. "splash the weight with a good dose and he backs up and growls but is hesitant to rush in for round 2. That wet stuff sure burns & just how much more of it does the tasty bits of warm flesh have..." not as good as a clerics turning but helpful in a pinch

An excellent example of practical use in a game taken from the viewpoint of the undead. Kudos on the role-playing application!
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Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:09 pm

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An excellent example of practical use in a game taken from the viewpoint of the undead. Kudos on the role-playing application!

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THanks much! When I had a good group, my players have always wondered how I would always play a good paladin & such, but when running the game I could do some nifty evil things.

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Really though, holy water could be used for so much more then splashing back-from-the-dead baddies. Think about the value of holy water to rural communities with no priests who need to baptise babies. Or what about the "mystical healing properties" that the devout sects of warshippers believes the water has? Holy Water can be a great deal more valuable in a game then just undead bane.

Good ideals I never took the thought to that level. I guess it comes from going to a church where there was grape juice & crackers once every 4 months or so & "feeds" all the time in the basement. Never exposed to the uses of Holy water in real church so....

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I'm glad no one asked about "unholy water" as such a term is redundant, really. Its holy water... just not the same kind as the "good guys" use.

Stop it my paladins don't like this idea. If I ever get the chance to game with you all, this is an evil thought & I want it stoped!
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:58 pm

Omote wrote:
Really though, holy water could be used for so much more then splashing back-from-the-dead baddies. Think about the value of holy water to rural communities with no priests who need to baptise babies. Or what about the "mystical healing properties" that the devout sects of warshippers believes the water has? Holy Water can be a great deal more valuable in a game then just undead bane.

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???

Strap a vampire's coffin shut, then sink it in a vat of holy water.

Now THAT'S a gaming baptism.

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Jason Vey · Post by **Jason Vey** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:34 pm

Nobody will post the rule here...*sigh*

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:59 pm

miller6 wrote:
Strap a vampire's coffin shut, then sink it in a vat of holy water.

Now THAT'S a gaming baptism.

That's the alternative I'm talking about. You see, a whole adventure could be made from this single statement. Thx BM, I might actually do just this.
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:01 am

Omote wrote:
That's the alternative I'm talking about. You see, a whole adventure could be made from this single statement. Thx BM, I might actually do just this.
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I always thought the vampire hunters should do that in the movies anyway, but alas, when it comes to vampires, hollywood writers fail to think "outside the box".
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:05 am

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Nobody will post the rule here...*sigh*

What rule? That holy water has different effects on different things? Or that it should be a spell component for the consecrate spell?

Against most corporeal undead, holy water hurts them... up to 8 damage is a good amount. Against extraplanar evils, like demons or devils, it additionally has a "repel" effect, like that of a protection from evil, but only for 1-2 rounds (until it evaporates, the water acting like an acid on the being's flesh.) Against incorporeal undead, it doesn't hurt them (no body for it to touch), but acts as a low level turn effect... and other things at the whim of the CK< based on whatever is being encountered.

Jason Vey · Post by **Jason Vey** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:41 pm

serleran wrote:
What rule? That holy water has different effects on different things? Or that it should be a spell component for the consecrate spell?

Against most corporeal undead, holy water hurts them... up to 8 damage is a good amount. Against extraplanar evils, like demons or devils, it additionally has a "repel" effect, like that of a protection from evil, but only for 1-2 rounds (until it evaporates, the water acting like an acid on the being's flesh.) Against incorporeal undead, it doesn't hurt them (no body for it to touch), but acts as a low level turn effect... and other things at the whim of the CK< based on whatever is being encountered.

No, the actual rule that several people (Peter included) have already said WILL be in the CK Screens, CKG, and 3rd printing.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:42 pm

It does d8 damage per vial so I understand.
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Jason Vey · Post by **Jason Vey** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:56 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
It does d8 damage per vial so I understand.

Thank you!

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:21 am

Ooo, another thing to rule out.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:35 am

serleran wrote:
Ooo, another thing to rule out.

We're going to rename Serleran the Rules Slasher.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:37 am

Go ahead. When I'm done with the changes I'd like to see for C&C, it'll be time for C&C the 10000th printing. Maybe a M&T 3rd print, by then.

Narl · Post by **Narl** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:03 pm

The C&C screen I just got says 1-8 damage with a 2' diameter area of affect. No save. "Holy Water can only be used this way against undead and evil elemental and extraplanar creatures. Unholy water can only be used this way against paladins, lawful good clerics, and good elementals and extraplanar creatures."

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:24 pm

NARL with da hook up.

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