Lazy CK electronic aids?

Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:37 pm

I'm recently exploring C&C after migrating in from a World of Darkness and 3E background. One thing I'm interested in is electronic aids to assist in running good C&C games, such as a character generator for pre-gen PCs and NPCs and a treasure generator (based on the tables in Monsters & Treasures). Stuff like this will give me more prep time to focus on building up adventures.

I found a character generator spreadsheet at Cncplayernet, but alas, had trouble tweaking it to work under OpenOffice.

Anyway, if anyone has any ideas or suggestions, let me know!

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:17 am

I wish.

I grew spoiled with AD&D Core Rules 2.0 and E-tools. I get twitchy for something of similar caliber for C&C.

Although the Monkey's new program should be customizable for C&C when it releases.

Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:21 am

RedBlade should be customizable to C&C when it is released... and it's free....
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rabindranath72 · Post by **rabindranath72** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:16 am

Really, all the C&C mechanics fit on half A4 page. There is hardly to anything to "computerise"

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:20 am

rabindranath72 wrote:
Really, all the C&C mechanics fit on half A4 page. There is hardly to anything to "computerise"

If all you want to do for an NPC is tell it to give a 6th level elven knight and it spits it out for you, equipped and all. Thats what they are handy for.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:05 pm

Storm Queen wrote:
I'm recently exploring C&C after migrating in from a World of Darkness and 3E background.

Anyway, if anyone has any ideas or suggestions, let me know!

I don't know. Im still stuck on the idea of my fellow countrymen playing Vampires'. I'm having a disconect over a vampire with an australian dialect.
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Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:28 pm

What about that nifty Castle Keeper's E-screen I saw a while back? That was pretty darn spiffy.....

Anyone got a link?

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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:32 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
I don't know. Im still stuck on the idea of my fellow countrymen playing Vampires'. I'm having a disconect over a vampire with an australian dialect.

'G'day mate. Mind if I suck your blood?'

Yeah I see what you mean Pete.
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Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:03 pm

Inkpot wrote:
What about that nifty Castle Keeper's E-screen I saw a while back? That was pretty darn spiffy.....Anyone got a link?

CKScreen1_5.exe

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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:17 pm

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:37 pm

I have some, but I'm betting they're not what you'd want... since there's no GUI to manipulate. They are customizable, but not through drop-down menus and neat little clickities.

Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:18 am

serleran wrote:
I have some, but I'm betting they're not what you'd want... since there's no GUI to manipulate. They are customizable, but not through drop-down menus and neat little clickities.

Well what good are ya, then?
We require clickities!!!

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:21 am

I'm of no use, which was my point... however, if I can do this stuff, anyone with half a brain and a little programming experience can... is my other point.

Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:59 am

Nifelhein wrote:

I think this is the full one with a GUI.... CKHelper
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Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:04 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
I don't know. Im still stuck on the idea of my fellow countrymen playing Vampires'. I'm having a disconect over a vampire with an australian dialect.

Julian Grimm wrote:
'G'day mate. Mind if I suck your blood?

Yeah I see what you mean Pete.

Ah, but the game is set in Chicago, with attempts at being American and doing accents.

"Yeee-hawww!"

"I'd like some cawfee..."

Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:06 am

serleran wrote:
I'm of no use, which was my point... however, if I can do this stuff, anyone with half a brain and a little programming experience can... is my other point.

Alas, some of us lack the programming experience and/or half a brain.
I still think a C&C utility would be nice to have. Do you think it would be possible to customise PCGen to handle C&C?

Birthright · Post by **Birthright** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:44 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
'G'day mate. Mind if I suck your blood?'

Yeah I see what you mean Pete.

Would give a new spin on "bloody ripper, mate", wouldn't it?

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:10 pm

Storm Queen wrote:
Ah, but the game is set in Chicago, with attempts at being American and doing accents.

"Yeee-hawww!"

"I'd like some cawfee..."

*smiles* I think that would be as entertaining to listen to as the mob of Yorkshiremen trying to do the Alamo reenactments in england. A Yorkie doing a texas dialect is something quite... unique. ^_^
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:44 pm

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Do you think it would be possible to customise PCGen to handle C&C?

It might be, if you swapped class abilities for feats (like those things that are "delayed," primarily for monks and a few others) or used those "slots" for incremental bonuses, like a dwarf's inherent resistances. Some classes, like a rogue, that don't get anything additionally beyond creation (well, a few abilities, like backstab improve) would be a bit harder. So, ummm, I suppose it depends on how "perfect" you want it to be. In theory, it could work, but I've only read about PCGen, and don't have it, so maybe not?

Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:55 pm

That Redblade program looks like it'll be perfect for C&C.....when it finally comes out.
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Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:19 am

Inkpot wrote:
That Redblade program looks like it'll be perfect for C&C.....when it finally comes out. ...

Yes... still waiting... "sigh"
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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:47 am

The 3.5 version can be customized to some extent, not sure if it can end up with a good C&C character creation though.
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Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:02 pm

What makes Redblade better than PCGen to hack into a C&C generator? (I haven't really heard of Redblade until it was brought up in this thread.)

Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:22 pm

Well, having used previous incarnations of both programs I will say that Redblade is definitely more user-friendly. Everything is simple and self-explanatory. PC Gen just felt needlessly cluttered and complex.

That's just one bloke's opinion, of course.

Ink (heh...I said 'bloke'.....)
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Jynx · Post by **Jynx** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:27 pm

I've been using a program of my own creation for PC and NPC storage. Basically it started as a way for me to have a nifty character sheet print out - one similar to the one I use in my 2e game. Then I started tweeking the code to incorporate more and more. It's not the most user friendly program I intend it to be.. I need more time which is hard to come by. However, my players really like it and use it to print character sheets. It may still be buggy as I haven't had it mass tested yet. Also, keep in mind that it has some home brew customizations such as I add the +6 to saves and such as appose to using the 12/18 Base.

Anyhow... here is a link if people want to check it out...
http://rpgmtl.com:8080/download/setup.exe

One thing that it's ready for is an import of all the C&C spells and such. I've just not had time and I don't want to piss off the trolls by taking content from the PHB and making it available to the public.

BTW - it's free.

I wouldn't mind having others tell me what they would like to see, then 'IF' I have time I would LOVE to polish it up. One thing it is suppose to support - in fact the key feature for me personally - is an import / export of character so that players can email me their characters. Sadly it doesn't work - yet!

I don't use C&C By The Book also, so certain things like Treasure tables and such wouldn't be high on my priority list, but again, if anyone wants that sort of thing and can break it down logically for me, and perhaps do data entry, then I can attempt to put that in as well.

later!

Jynx

Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:17 am

That's the one Jynx!
It works great and I will provide some feedback soon...
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Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:14 pm

Jynx wrote:
I've been using a program of my own creation for PC and NPC storage.

Hey Jynx, I've just tried your program. I think it's great for a light, simple tool and once I figured out how, can even allow for data entry of extra stuff.

Some comments - spells aren't printing out on the character sheet.

You mention using the Prime = +6 Rule, which I use, but the +6 wasn't factored into saving throws on the sheet. There also didn't appear to be a way to "wear" armour to increase one's AC on the output sheet.

But over alll, it's rather nifty and may even use it in my upcoming C&C-game-at-work-during-lunch.

If you ever have the time an inclinination to update it? Possibly autocalculation of the random treasure tables. A multiplatform variant, so it could run on my Powerbook? And definately import/exporting of characters. That's all I can think of for now. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Jynx · Post by **Jynx** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:10 pm

Storm Queen wrote:
Hey Jynx, I've just tried your program. I think it's great for a light, simple tool and once I figured out how, can even allow for data entry of extra stuff.

hehe... I'll have to put in simple instructions to show how to use it.

Storm Queen wrote:
Some comments - spells aren't printing out on the character sheet.

This was a syptom of one of the earlier versions. I'll check.

Storm Queen wrote:
You mention using the Prime = +6 Rule, which I use, but the +6 wasn't factored into saving throws on the sheet.

Also a symptom of one of the earlier releases. I probably haven't updated the version on the download site.

Storm Queen wrote:
There also didn't appear to be a way to "wear" armour to increase one's AC on the output sheet.

There is! You select the armor into your inventory list, but then you have to remember to USE IT. There is a check box next to each item that indicates if it is currently being used or not. When not in use, it's considered stored or just being carried somehow.

Storm Queen wrote:
But over alll, it's rather nifty and may even use it in my upcoming C&C-game-at-work-during-lunch.

How in heck do you get to play during lunch? I wish I could do that!

Storm Queen wrote:
If you ever have the time an inclinination to update it? Possibly autocalculation of the random treasure tables. A multiplatform variant, so it could run on my Powerbook? And definately import/exporting of characters. That's all I can think of for now. Thanks for sharing it with us.

OK... Multiplatform I can't do... for two reasons. I don't own nor have I ever used a Mac, and the language I'm using doesn't allow for Mac versions. I hear that Macs can run PC software anyhow so there shouldn't be a problem... but I'm MACLESS!
The saving of characters is my next fix and I'll look into the treasure thing if/when I get time.

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