what can the Trolls use...?

[Fizz]

Hi all-

A while back someone mentioned that a monster book called 1001 Monsters was in the works.

What monsters from 1st Ed AD&D are the Trolls allowed to use? How does one know what is WotC IP and what is not?

Ergo, what could we expect from this new monster book? Bullywugs? Slaad? Githyanki? Or all new creations?

-Fizz

[gideon_thorne]

If its not in the SRD, its a safe bet TLG's not likely to use it. New creatures are more likely.
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[Fizz]

gideon_thorne wrote:
If its not in the SRD, its a safe bet TLG's not likely to use it. New creatures are more likely.

Oh, so the SRD covers more than just d20 then. OK. Never did understand all that legal stuff.
In that case, picking up the old Fiend Folio might be useful- some classic monsters in there.

-Fizz

[serleran]

1001 Monsters will not be around for a while, as I hear it, and it will most likely be a majority of new creatures. Reworking old ones is ok, but its also incredibly boring.

[Nelzie]

How about submitting monsters?

Hmm?

I create most of the monsters that the players face in my game world. Some of them could be dropped in most anything.
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[andakitty]

Demons?

I miss demons.

[Dangersaurus]

A great majority of the 1e/2e monster names (with 3E stats) were opened with the publication of Tome of Horrors. Unfortunately, each one requires a separate attribution in section 15 (eyes glazing over) so it can result in multipage OGL listings if you use more than a handful.

[Dangersaurus]

serleran wrote:
Reworking old ones is ok, but its also incredibly boring.

Can be. I've only done about 30. At three or four an hour that's still a significant chunk of time where you're just reprocessing old information. Not much creative fulfillment there. Were there times you just wanted to insert some easter eggs or in-jokes with the M&T just to relieve some of the monotony?

The fun part comes in when you convert something and see a new twist or realize the monster had some cool quirk or ability you had glossed over previously. For many years my eyes just zipped over the Zorbo solely because of the illustration, not realizing just how cool it is. Oh, it's a koala bear. Yawn.... no, wait: it's a drop-bear that turns into whatever you hit it with! Much more fun.

Edit to add: I also like doing the mundane animals, since I can use it to give Anna some "computer time" where we look at Wiki and the web for pictures and fun info about animals. She has really taken an unnatural liking to bees, solely from my conversion!

I've definitely scaled back on my plan to convert my whole list of "must-have" monsters to cover just those that I actually use in my encounters, lairs and wilderness tables.

[serleran]

There were a lot of jokes thrown into the original manuscript; in fact, the original stuff is about 6 times longer... As to submitting monsters... ask Steve or Davis, because I'm not responsible for that.

And, about Demons.... they have their own book. A monster work is just not enough space to do justice. The demon thing is tentatively called Gods and Demons.

[Fizz]

serleran wrote:
And, about Demons.... they have their own book. A monster work is just not enough space to do justice. The demon thing is tentatively called Gods and Demons.

Hmmm, interesting. Even though the title is `Demons', will it include devils and the good-aligned extraplanar monsters?

I'm still interested in 1001 Monsters. I know it's a ways off, but any rough idea of when it'd be available? Say, mid-2008 or something like that?

-Fizz

[phadeout]

If you want all the demons/devils/angels and other outerplanar goodness, I'd say pickup the Planescape monstrous appendixes. I bought the first one just for my 2nd Ed game, cause I didn't want to use the older 1st edition ones... it totally rocked, and the planescape "quotes" really breath life in some of them.

[serleran]

No word on anything since the only ones who can answer are the Trolls. M&T II is first, though.

And, there will likely be something on "good-aligned useless monsters" too, probably in the same book.

[phadeout]

You know what else we need:

1001 Animals and Familiars

That would be handy!

(Including Giant, Dire and Legendary versions)

[serleran]

Try Book of Familiars. Already out.

[Fizz]

serleran wrote:
No word on anything since the only ones who can answer are the Trolls. M&T II is first, though.

Ah, i thought 1001 Monsters was going to be the next monster book. I didn't realize an M&T II was on the way.

Quote:
"good-aligned useless monsters"

Are there any other kind?
-Fizz

[Turanil]

Dangersaurus wrote:
I've only done about 30. At three or four an hour that's still a significant chunk of time where you're just reprocessing old information. Not much creative fulfillment there. Were there times you just wanted to insert some easter eggs or in-jokes with the M&T just to relieve some of the monotony?

The fun part comes in when you convert something and see a new twist or realize the monster had some cool quirk or ability you had glossed over previously. For many years my eyes just zipped over the Zorbo solely because of the illustration, not realizing just how cool it is. Oh, it's a koala bear. Yawn.... no, wait: it's a drop-bear that turns into whatever you hit it with! Much more fun.

Edit to add: I also like doing the mundane animals, since I can use it to give Anna some "computer time" where we look at Wiki and the web for pictures and fun info about animals. She has really taken an unnatural liking to bees, solely from my conversion!

I've definitely scaled back on my plan to convert my whole list of "must-have" monsters to cover just those that I actually use in my encounters, lairs and wilderness tables.

You could want to submit them over this thread...
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[Dangersaurus]

Turanil wrote:
You could want to submit them over this thread...

I think Nelzie was the one asking about submitting monsters...

All I've done are conversions, I can't claim the original ideas or even much originality in rephrasing the flavor text to avoid being pure cut-n-paste.

[Turanil]

Dangersaurus wrote:
rephrasing the flavor text to avoid being pure cut-n-paste.

Ideas may not be copyrighted, only their specific implementation. Copyrights are on the exact name and text; renaming and paraphrasing makes them okay for use, especially for a non-commercial amateur supplement for online free download. (Now, if you paraphrase Dune and sell millions of copy of that, it would be another story for sure... but a C&C netbook on the web if far away form it.)
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[Nelzie]

Dangersaurus wrote:
I think Nelzie was the one asking about submitting monsters...

All I've done are conversions, I can't claim the original ideas or even much originality in rephrasing the flavor text to avoid being pure cut-n-paste.

I do have a few monsters that I wouldn't mind seeing out there (and maybe see my name listed as a contributor somewhere...). When I mean 'out there', I mean in an official product of sorts.

Although, I would like more than just a stat block and short 2 to 3 paragraph blurb. A few of my monsters need a spot more space to really do them justice.
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[Breakdaddy]

I currently utilize the MMII and FF from AD&D along with the RC of BD&D for my additional monster needs. I haven't run out of handy monsters yet, and I don't have any qualms about renaming monsters and sticking with the original stats to confuse and befuddle the PCs. Our game is going swimmingly at the moment and I am loving the freewheeling nature of our implementation of the C&C rules.