Is it legal if...

ssfsx17 · Post by **ssfsx17** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:53 pm

Is it legal if, because I lack the full C&C PHB, I try to somehow re-create C&C versions of the Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, etc. using a combination of various fan-made CK screens and my AD&D 2e books in order that my players be able to use these classes?

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:12 pm

Not as long as it's for personal use.

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Telhawk · Post by **Telhawk** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:29 pm

Just to clarify a touch, I believe Omote means that it is legal as long as it is for personal use.

Sorry about jumping in there, Omote, but just wanted to provide a bit of detail on the matter.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:47 pm

No problems, Tellhawk, that is exactly what I meant. It's good to have a creative legal team to clarify moments like these.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:37 pm

For personal use only is always legal. Its when you try to sell it or distribute it widely that you can get in trouble.
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jamesmishler · Post by **jamesmishler** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:47 pm

Well, considering that C&C is created under the OGL, um, yeah. You just gotta follow the OGL rules.

According to the "Designation of Open Gaming Content" in the PHB, all the class stuff is Open. So if you follow the OGL, you are good...
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Turanil · Post by **Turanil** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:20 pm

ssfsx17 wrote:
Is it legal if, because I lack the full C&C PHB, I try to somehow re-create C&C versions of the Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, etc. using a combination of various fan-made CK screens and my AD&D 2e books in order that my players be able to use these classes?

So from AD&D2e to C&C? Well, I could suggest this:

1) Convert Thac0 and AC so "it works upward" as in C&C.

2) Use the single ability scores modifiers of C&C: 13-15: +1 / 16-17: +2 / 18: +3.

3) Import the SIEGE engine (while removing non-weapon proficiencies; or turning them into a flat +2 bonus to siege-engine checks).

Doing this, you would have a C&C-like game using your AD&D books, with minimal efforts and conversion work.
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Stuie · Post by **Stuie** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:21 pm

Why not just by the PHB? It's only $13.57 at amazon.com. Worth every penny.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:22 pm

Mishler speaks truth! Speaking of Mishler... dude, I was so busy selling stuff at Gen Con that I didn't pick up a copy of your Gen Con release! One of the two items I neglected to pick up that I meant to. I R Stoopud, evidently.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:48 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
Mishler speaks truth! Speaking of Mishler... dude, I was so busy selling stuff at Gen Con that I didn't pick up a copy of your Gen Con release! One of the two items I neglected to pick up that I meant to. I R Stoopud, evidently.

You can order it from him directly. $13.00 including shipping. He has a post with his e-mail down in his Players Haven.
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jamesmishler · Post by **jamesmishler** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:08 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
Mishler speaks truth! Speaking of Mishler... dude, I was so busy selling stuff at Gen Con that I didn't pick up a copy of your Gen Con release! One of the two items I neglected to pick up that I meant to. I R Stoopud, evidently.

Breakdaddy,

You need to go kick Steve around. There are six copies sitting at the offices; one for him, one for Davis, one for Todd, one for Mark, one for MacBain, and one for you... of course, I suppose for Steve to know that, he would have had to have READ HIS E-MAILS.

Heh. Silly me.
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:26 pm

Treebore wrote:
You can order it from him directly. $13.00 including shipping. He has a post with his e-mail down in his Players Haven.

Thanks for the heads-up Treebore!

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:27 pm

jamesmishler wrote:
Breakdaddy,

You need to go kick Steve around. There are six copies sitting at the offices; one for him, one for Davis, one for Todd, one for Mark, one for MacBain, and one for you... of course, I suppose for Steve to know that, he would have had to have READ HIS E-MAILS.

Heh. Silly me.

Wow thanks a ton, James! I was actually about to go the route Treebore just posted but this is even better
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:39 pm

jamesmishler wrote:
Breakdaddy,

You need to go kick Steve around. There are six copies sitting at the offices; one for him, one for Davis, one for Todd, one for Mark, one for MacBain, and one for you... of course, I suppose for Steve to know that, he would have had to have READ HIS E-MAILS.

Heh. Silly me.

Oh, and that thing about Steve reading emails is hi-larious! We all know Steve lives on an island with no power and one monkey with a coconut phone.

imweasel · Post by **imweasel** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:23 pm

Treebore wrote:
You can order it from him directly. $13.00 including shipping. He has a post with his e-mail down in his Players Haven.

13.00 including shipping?

Link please?

And rep'ed.
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ssfsx17 · Post by **ssfsx17** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:27 pm

I eventually scrounged up enough funds to buy the PHB 3rd printing, masked by an order of the latest William Gibson novel.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:03 pm

imweasel wrote:
13.00 including shipping?

Link please?

And rep'ed.

mailto:james at adventuregamespubs at com
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