Size modifier

vegabond · Post by **vegabond** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:43 pm

Besides grappling checks and for roleplaying knowledge, do size modifiers do anything?

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:48 pm

No, but small PCs tend to have slower movement rates; also, some things are important to know size (ie, whether a giant frog can swallow you.)

vegabond · Post by **vegabond** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:39 pm

k that's what I noticed, but wanted to make sure.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:11 am

Yep. nothing keeping you from using stuff from 3E if you like the rules, though.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:15 am

Bigger sized creatures get to attack smaller creatures first in C&C.

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vegabond · Post by **vegabond** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:01 am

Large creatures get a free attack on medium and small creatures if they approach with 10", but Medium creatures don't get a free attack on a small creature when it approaches.

Is that how most of you play it?

Realmsbard · Post by **Realmsbard** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:19 am

I knew it. Size does matter
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:00 am

vegabond wrote:
Large creatures get a free attack on medium and small creatures if they approach with 10", but Medium creatures don't get a free attack on a small creature when it approaches.

Is that how most of you play it?

Creatures that are larger then their attacker go first in initiative IF the attacker is smaller AND he comes within 10 feet of the bigger defender. If creatures are of the same size, the creature with a weapon length of 10' goes before any creature with a weapon length of less then 6'. This is as per the rules on page 115 of the PHB3.

That's how we've always played it.

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GameOgre · Post by **GameOgre** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:12 am

To be honest I dont use the size rules as far as Init goes. I do give small ceatures a bonus to hit big ones.

I guess in my world huge creatures are at a slight disadvantage but I never had a real issue with it. Shrug.
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Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:55 am

serleran wrote:
No, but small PCs tend to have slower movement rates; also, some things are important to know size (ie, whether a giant frog can swallow you.)

Ah jeez. You bastard. You DO know my CK reads here, don't you? And that the Western Tennessee Gnome Liberation League has doubled its Gnomish component?

Sheesh. One more thing to worry about.

vegabond · Post by **vegabond** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:56 am

Hey O,

So in your game if a halfling or dwarf approaches a human or orc in melee the human or orc will get a free attack?

That sounds a little harsh, but I have yet to play, so it's all new to me.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:13 am

vegabond wrote:
Hey O,

So in your game if a halfling or dwarf approaches a human or orc in melee the human or orc will get a free attack?

That sounds a little harsh, but I have yet to play, so it's all new to me.

Honestly, we don't. Even though dwarves are technically small BTB, we do not do this. But for halflings, most defintely. As for the letter of the rules, I guess it could be interpreted that only LARGE creatures get this benefit against medium and smaller creatures. This is pretty clearly defined by the first couple of sentances in the 3rd paragraph under INITIATIVE. However, the latter sentaces almost alude to this benefit applying to any creatures of small / medium size attacking a large creature. Now that I think about it though, as worded, this benefit should only apply to Large creatures.

Vegabond, I think you are absolutely right. I'm going to change this immediately.

Thanks.

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:45 pm

This is what did the Dwarven Cleric in while exploring the Moat House. They came across the ogre... the Dwarf moved in first... the ogre swung first and no AC bonus could have helped the Dwarf from suffering a massive critical (and very lucky) hit. The Dwarf who was the party's *only* cleric died in one hit.

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trollwad1 · Post by **trollwad1** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:32 pm

reread the PHB. Is it a free attack or does the big dude simply get to go first on the first round of melee?

I suspect it is the latter

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:05 pm

trollwad1 wrote:
reread the PHB. Is it a free attack or does the big dude simply get to go first on the first round of melee?

I suspect it is the latter

It's the latter. Basically, the larger creature gets to go first because of "reach" (to borrow the term as used in 3.x in relation to Attacks of Opportunity).

Or... in my example of "Dwarf vs Ogre": Batter's UP!

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